# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 215
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4282 "2012-07-21T05:17:44Z")
> [@gunnergoz](#): > > Unfortunately, he was clearly ill-prepared for it when real life intruded upon his fantasies of being self-appointed armed guardian of “his” turf. Things got more and more out of control and he was reluctant to yield to the police when they told him to back of and wait for them. The police told him no such thing, in fact the police had no contact with him until after the shooting. A phone operator told him he didn’t need to follow Martin. > [@](#): > > Driving around in your car with a gun to satisfy your inner fantasies is one thing, but getting out and imposing yourself upon a stranger, when there was no clear or compelling justification for doing so, strikes me as extremely poor judgment and literally asking for the fickle finger of fate to smite you. Or in this case, Zimmerman in one way and the other hapless soul in another way. What do you mean by “imposing himself” on? The only pieces of evidence we have - Zimmerman’s statement and DeeDee’s statement - both say Martin spoke to Zimmerman first. > [@](#): > > Guns may not kill, but people possessing screwed up motives and poor judgment, and armed with guns, kill all the time. As do people on the receiving end of a beating which has already resulted in them getting multiple injuries, and shows no sign of stopping. That Zimmerman may have demonstrated screwed up motives and poor judgement doesn’t justify Martin’s attack on him. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4283 "2012-07-21T05:33:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The problem is this: let’s say you’re right. Let’s say it’s a good guess, even more likely than otherwise, that Zimmerman’s tone, stance, or actions were aggressive, even threatening. > > How do you get from there to “beyond a reasonable doubt” that they were an imminent threat to do physical violence? They dOnt have to be to justify self defense do they? ( on tray one part) v ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4284 "2012-07-21T06:01:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I disagree. When he says “that’s the clubhouse” he’s no longer there. Otherwise he would simply say yes and he would also have the correct address because it would still be in front of him. > > In a trial, your opinion about what someone else meant doesn’t mean anything. The person who can testify about what he said is the person himself. Oh, I know, my little pork chop. Thankfully, my opinion doesn’t matter here, because the person himself is telling us about what he said. Go back and listen to the recordings. If you disagree about where George is, you’re not disagreeing with me, you’re calling your Saint George a liar. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4285 "2012-07-21T08:14:07Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The police told him no such thing, in fact the police had no contact with him until after the shooting. A phone operator told him he didn’t need to follow Martin. ‘phone operator’? You mean the dispatcher that answers the call by saying SANFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT? I wonder who he works for. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4286 "2012-07-21T09:48:46Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > ‘phone operator’? You mean the dispatcher that answers the call by saying SANFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT? I wonder who he works for. Yes, that phone operator. The one who would have had no authority to tell Zimmerman to do anything, even if he had done so, which he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4287 "2012-07-21T13:09:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > That Zimmerman may have demonstrated screwed up motives and poor judgement doesn’t justify Martin’s attack on him. You don’t know what, precisely, Zimmerman did, and so you don’t know that. There remains an unexplained gap in Zimmerman’s story; he is still maintaining that he got out of his vehicle and then was unexpectedly attacked. But that is not consistent with where the altercation ended, far from his vehicle. There remains a gap of time for which we presently have no explanation and no evidence. The prosecution may in fact have some critical evidence of something that happened there - indeed, if they do, it could be the case-making evidence. But we don’t know. Anyway, as to his doing the interview, lik everyone else, I am absolutely stunned he did it. This violates Rules 1 through 10 of how toconduct yourself as a defendant, all of which are “Shut the hell up.” I cannot for the life of me understand why Zimmerman would do something so hideously risky with no reward, unless it was the only way he could afford his legal bills, which I doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4288 "2012-07-21T13:43:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You don’t know what, precisely, Zimmerman did, and so you don’t know that. I know that nothing we’ve seen so far justifies Martin’s attack on him. As you say, the prosecution may have evidence that he did something that did, although I would expect it to have been released by now. > [@](#): > > There remains an unexplained gap in Zimmerman’s story; he is still maintaining that he got out of his vehicle and then was unexpectedly attacked. But that is not consistent with where the altercation ended, far from his vehicle. There remains a gap of time for which we presently have no explanation and no evidence. The prosecution may in fact have some critical evidence of something that happened there - indeed, if they do, it could be the case-making evidence. But we don’t know. This is ultimately the problem. There is insufficient evidence to say, for sure, what happened. This is why I don’t think there will be an SYG hearing, and that if there is Zimmerman wouldn’t be cleared by it, and also why I think Zimmerman will be cleared at trial. If he _is_ cleared at trial, he should be treated as though he’s innocent, until such point as he’s either convicted of a crime or found civilly liable for his actions > [@](#): > > Anyway, as to his doing the interview, lik everyone else, I am absolutely stunned he did it. This violates Rules 1 through 10 of how toconduct yourself as a defendant, all of which are “Shut the hell up.” I cannot for the life of me understand why Zimmerman would do something so hideously risky with no reward, unless it was the only way he could afford his legal bills, which I doubt. I agree completely, and I think Zimmerman is sabotaging his own case. I can think of no way this interview will help him. The only reason I can think he would do this is that his conscience is bothering him, and he feels the need to bare his soul in public. As to whether that suggests innocence or guilt, I’m really not sure. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4289 "2012-07-21T13:56:36Z")
His doing this interview is symptomatic of him vastly overestimating his capacity to persuade people. You almost can’t blame him. There have probably been plenty of people he has manipulated over the course of his life. Despite the two new inconsistencies that were revealed (Martin’s skipping and his new reason for exiting his car) I’m actually surprised how little his story has deviated from the contrived little ditty he gave the cops during the reenactment. Almost word for word, he repeated the same superfluous silliness about him reaching for his cellphone (but it was in his other pocket, not the one he reached into, yo) And the most gaping holes (the discrepant distance between where he claims he was punched and where Martin was shot, the irreconciliabiity of Martin suffocating him with being the voice screaming on that tape, the bullet trajectory taken together with Martin’s supposed position on top of Zimmerman) remain gaping. He hasn’t bothered to explain these away, which I would have thought he would have if he’s been paying attention to what ppl on the internet have been talking about. The issues he continues to embellish seem to indicate that Zimmerman is more concerned about minimizing Martin’s claim to self-defense than shoring up the weaknesses in his own claim of such. He thinks that if he can convince us that 1) Martin was not afraid of him and 2) Zimmerman did not confront him, then all is gravy. But this is tactically stupid. Out of everything in this case, both 1) and 2) are corroborated by the strongest evidence. Deedee will tell the court that Martin was afraid of Z. Zimmerman’s call to non-emergency will reveal GZ saying Martin was running from him. The same call will reveal Z admitting to following Martin because these “assholes always get away”. The same call _will not_ reveal Zimmerman telling the dispatcher he is trying to find a street sign. So it makes little sense for him to invest in lying about these details when these are the two easiest details for the prosecution to disprove. Dumbass. I hope he continues to do interviews. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4290 "2012-07-21T14:15:02Z")
> [@gunnergoz](#): > > Zimmerman strikes me as a man who lived a lot in his mind and acted out his fantasies through his more or less mundane activities, such as the neighborhood watch thing, spying on his neighbors and calling the cops when something made him feel insecure. Carrying around a gun was probably part of this “life as theater” acting out of fantasies. > > Unfortunately, he was clearly ill-prepared for it when real life intruded upon his fantasies of being self-appointed armed guardian of “his” turf. Things got more and more out of control and he was reluctant to yield to the police when they told him to back of and wait for them. > > Driving around in your car with a gun to satisfy your inner fantasies is one thing, but getting out and imposing yourself upon a stranger, when there was no clear or compelling justification for doing so, strikes me as extremely poor judgment and literally asking for the fickle finger of fate to smite you. Or in this case, Zimmerman in one way and the other hapless soul in another way. > > Guns may not kill, but people possessing screwed up motives and poor judgment, and armed with guns, kill all the time. My admittedly limited understanding of the case is that there were 8 recent robberies, a shooting, and a women was forced to barricade herself in her upstairs bedroom during one home invasion, plus dozens of attempted robberies in the community, so they got together and appointed someone to be a watchman. That isn’t self appointed. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4291 "2012-07-21T14:19:10Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Yes, that phone operator. The one who would have had no authority to tell Zimmerman to do anything, even if he had done so, which he didn’t. The Stanford police department is telling him not to follow the suspect. Do you think George thought he was talking to one of the operators that put your ‘call collect’ calls through to your uncle? > [@](#): > > And the most gaping holes (the discrepant distance between where he claims he was punched and where Martin was shot, the irreconciliabiity of Martin suffocating him with being the voice screaming on that tape, the bullet trajectory taken together with Martin’s supposed position on top of Zimmerman) remain gaping. The most gaping holes are a) he says it was ‘less than 30 seconds’ between hanging up the phone and him running into Martin. But we know there is over two minutes of unexplained time between the end of GZ’s NEN call and the start of the fight. The only way both of these facts can be true is if the fight lasted for a -lot- longer than is thought as of now. And -that- scenario is not a good one for George, because it’s going to be very hard for him to say with a straight face that he was ‘savagely beaten’ for over two minutes yet comes out with a couple of scratches, practically no blood anywhere, jeans look fine, etc. b) He continues to insist on his physically impossible story of making the NEN phone call at the Clubhouse, then driving down to the stopping point on TTL, where Martin ‘circles his car’ and runs away. Not only is it pretty much impossible for Martin to do all that walking in that length of time…why does George want to say he immediately got out of his car to chase after a suspicious, possibly armed dude that just threateningly circled his car? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4292 "2012-07-21T14:37:49Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > The Stanford police department is telling him not to follow the suspect. No, they are not. If you think that’s what he was told, you don’t understand simple English, regardless of your opinion of whether the operator had any authority over him. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4293 "2012-07-21T14:56:44Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No, they are not. If you think that’s what he was told, you don’t understand simple English, regardless of your opinion of whether the operator had any authority over him. Yes they are, and if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you, as you’re probably suffering from severe speech/language disorder. What do you think the dispatcher meant when he said, ‘we don’t need you to follow’ and what do you think George was acknowledging when he said ‘Ok’. Do you think George was calling the NEN just to give them a blow-by-blow account of what he was going to do, or was he calling for assistance? Was he calling them with the full intention of ignoring anything they said? ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4294 "2012-07-21T15:08:00Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You don’t know what, precisely, Zimmerman did, and so you don’t know that. > > There remains an unexplained gap in Zimmerman’s story; he is still maintaining that he got out of his vehicle and then was unexpectedly attacked. But that is not consistent with where the altercation ended, far from his vehicle. There remains a gap of time for which we presently have no explanation and no evidence. The prosecution may in fact have some critical evidence of something that happened there - indeed, if they do, it could be the case-making evidence. But we don’t know. What unexplained gap? Zimmerman was talking to the NEN operator until he was walking back to his vehicle. Based on the NEN records and the 911 calls, there is only about 30 seconds between when he hung up on the NEN operator and Martin confronted him. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4295 "2012-07-21T15:23:51Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Yes they are, and if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you, as you’re probably suffering from severe speech/language disorder. They quite clearly meant they didn’t want him to follow, and that it was a bad idea for him to follow. Nonetheless, it was not an instruction, and Zimmerman would have not been required to obey it if it were. > [@](#): > > What do you think the dispatcher meant when he said, ‘we don’t need you to follow’ and what do you think George was acknowledging when he said ‘Ok’. Do you think George was calling the NEN just to give them a blow-by-blow account of what he was going to do, or was he calling for assistance? Was he calling them with the full intention of ignoring anything they said? He was calling them with the intention of getting what he suspected was a criminal arrested. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4296 "2012-07-21T15:26:26Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Yes they are, and if you think otherwise I feel sorry for you, **as you’re probably suffering from severe speech/language disorder**. > > What do you think the dispatcher meant when he said, \*\*‘we don’t need you to follow’ \*\*and what do you think George was acknowledging when he said ‘Ok’. Do you think George was calling the NEN just to give them a blow-by-blow account of what he was going to do, or was he calling for assistance? Was he calling them with the full intention of ignoring anything they said? The 9-1-1 operator, who was not a police officer, said, “We don’t need you to do that”. Is a 9-1-1 operator considered to have the same authority as a police officer? Is that “statement” as clear or as easily understood as an “direct order” saying, “Do not follow him” or “Stay in your car”? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4297 "2012-07-21T15:30:53Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > What unexplained gap? Zimmerman was talking to the NEN operator until he was walking back to his vehicle. Based on the NEN records and the 911 calls, there is only about 30 seconds between when he hung up on the NEN operator and Martin confronted him. Where are you getting this from? The first 911 call occurred at least 2 minutes after Zimmerman got off the phone with non-emergency, iirc. Also you need to look at the time Martin’s call with Deedee ended. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4298 "2012-07-21T15:38:23Z")
[quote=“DragonAsh, post:4291, topic:619125”] The most gaping holes are a) he says it was ‘less than 30 seconds’ between hanging up the phone and him running into Martin. But we know there is over two minutes of unexplained time between the end of GZ’s NEN call and the start of the fight. QUOTE] [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521\_1\_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino) > [@](#): > > 1913:36 - Dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following suspicious person > 1913:36 - Dispatcher advises Zimmerman “Okay; we don’t need you to do that” > 1915:23 - Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends > 1916:43 - 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help > 1917:20 - Shot fired; screams from Zimmerman cease > 1917:40 - Officer T. Smith arrives on scene I say that 30 seconds sounds like a good guess. It couldn’t be much longer. The 2 minute gap is actually between when the call ends and shot was fired. We have a 1:20 gap and by the time W11 hears the altercation, decides to call 911 and actually gets connected will take up most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4299 "2012-07-21T15:46:02Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Where are you getting this from? The first 911 call occurred at least 2 minutes after Zimmerman got off the phone with non-emergency, iirc. > > Also you need to look at the time Martin’s call with Deedee ended. Go to what I post in 4296. That is the time from the Sanford Police. You don’t need to reference anybody else for the time the NEN call hung up until the 911 from W11 came in. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4300 "2012-07-21T15:53:25Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > What unexplained gap? Zimmerman was talking to the NEN operator until he was walking back to his vehicle. Based on the NEN records and the 911 calls, there is only about 30 seconds between when he hung up on the NEN operator and Martin confronted him. Are you being obtuse on purpose? Zimmerman’s call connected at 7:09:34 ([cite](http://i.imgur.com/G9zy5.jpg)), and lasted for approx. four minutes. The NEN report of Zimmerman’s call was _created_ at 7:11:12, but the call has already been underway for almost two minutes. How do we know this? Because at 7:11:59, the dispatcher updates the record, noting that the subject is running away. Zimmerman told the dispatcher this 02:08 or so into his call - there’s no way the NEN dispatcher could have updated the file with that information only forty-seven seconds into the call. The update comes a little over 2 minutes after the call _connected_, which matches perfectly with the timing of the NEN recording. GZ’s NEN phone call ends at 07:13:41, NOT 7:15:23. The first 911 call is at 7:16:43 - that’s _three minutes_ after the end of Zimmerman’s call. The scuffle obviously started before the person actually picked up the phone to dial 911, but witness accounts suggest the struggle started about 45 seconds before the 911 call. So, yes, there is a two-minute gap. We still don’t know what happenened in the intervening 2-odd minutes. George wants us to believe that there was a ‘less than 30 second’ gap - hang up phone, start walking back to truck, Martin sucker-punches him, etc etc. He obviously doesn’t want to admit that he spent the two minutes trying to find…oh, sorry, ‘maintain visual contact’ of the gangsta-skipping thug. > [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Zimmerman was talking to the NEN operator until he was walking back to his vehicle No matter how badly you want to believe this, it clearly is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4301 "2012-07-21T15:55:05Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > I say that 30 seconds sounds like a good guess. It couldn’t be much longer. The 2 minute gap is actually between when the call ends and shot was fired. We have a 1:20 gap and by the time W11 hears the altercation, decides to call 911 and actually gets connected will take up most of the time. This timeline is inaccurate. From your cited site. [\*The Seminole County Sheriff’s Office, which handled the call, reported it came in at 1909:34.](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-21/news/os-trayvon-sanford-police-timeline-20120521_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-timeline-investigator-chris-serino) Examining the event log reveals that the Sheriff’s Office got it right. So we have an extra 2 minutes in there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=214) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=216)