# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 229
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4562 "2012-07-28T02:47:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Really? Would you like a few hundred links to an angelic-looking 12-year-old Trayvon pictures in the media? Contrasted with a fatter-than-today booking photo of Zimmerman? I would love that. 300 please. That’s a few hundred, yes? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4563 "2012-07-28T02:50:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Really? Would you like a few hundred links to an angelic-looking 12-year-old Trayvon pictures in the media? Contrasted with a fatter-than-today booking photo of Zimmerman? A few hundred pics of a slightly younger Martin don’t change the facts reported over and over in the media. His status as a black teenager has been shouted from the rooftops. Everyone knows what his age was. Plenty of recent pics of him abound. I’m sure you’ve poured over them. Other witnesses said they heard a boy too. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4564 "2012-07-28T03:14:18Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > I would love that. > 300 please. That’s a few hundred, yes? Just a few to start you off. I led the horse to water… Now you drink. [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20582259,00.html](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20582259,00.html) [http://www.people.com/people/news/category/0,,personsTax:TrayvonMartin,00.html](http://www.people.com/people/news/category/0,,personsTax:TrayvonMartin,00.html) [http://www.pbs.org/pov/blog/docsoup/2012/03/on-pinterest-and-in-documentaries-dont-judge-a-killer-by-an-image/](http://www.pbs.org/pov/blog/docsoup/2012/03/on-pinterest-and-in-documentaries-dont-judge-a-killer-by-an-image/) > **[Autopsy Report Says Trayvon Martin Had THC in His System](https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/05/autopsy-report-says-trayvon-marting-had-thc-his-system/327968/)** > > A massive trove of documents was just released in the Trayvon Martin investigation, including an autopsy report that shows Martin had THC in system when he died. [http://teachingforchange.org/news/TeachingaboutTrayvon](http://teachingforchange.org/news/TeachingaboutTrayvon) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon\_Martin.jpg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin.jpg) [http://www.vibe.com/article/prosecutor-rules-no-grand-jury-trayvon-martin-case](http://www.vibe.com/article/prosecutor-rules-no-grand-jury-trayvon-martin-case) > **["Trayvon Martin and the Fatal History of American Racism"](https://allhiphop.com/slider/trayvon-martin-and-the-fatal-history-of-american-racism/)** > > EDITORIAL: YOU ARE TRAYVON MARTIN > **[Trayvon Martin case: Justice Department could bring hate crime charge](https://thegrio.com/2012/03/25/trayvon-martin-justice-department-could-bring-hate-crime-charge/)** > > MIAMI (AP) - The U.S. Justice Department could bring a hate crime charge against the shooter in the killing of black Florida teenager Trayvon Martin if there is sufficient evidence the slaying was motivated by racial bias... > **[What The Tweets Are Saying About Trayvon Martin](https://www.vibe.com/gallery/what-tweets-are-saying-about-trayvon-martin/)** > > The killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin has been dominating social conversations. And with the FBI and Justice Dept now investigating the incident, we hope it’s not going anywhere. Much of the chatter has revolved around the shooter, George... [http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/gingrich-and-santorum-claim-race-not-relevant-in-trayvon-martin-case.php](http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/gingrich-and-santorum-claim-race-not-relevant-in-trayvon-martin-case.php) > **[StockExaminer - AI-Powered Stock Chatbot](https://examiner.com)** > > Discover Stock Examiner, the AI-powered chatbot delivering instant, interactive stock charts, real-time financials, breaking news, stock screeners, and more—all in one seamless experience. > **[Traces of Marijuana Found in Trayvon Martin’s Body: Does It Matter? | TIME.com](https://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/)** > > News that the Florida teen's autopsy revealed trace amounts of THC shouldn't be misinterpreted to equate marijuana use with violence. [http://www.inquisitr.com/217478/trayvon-martin-case-wont-go-before-grand-jury-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-confirms/](http://www.inquisitr.com/217478/trayvon-martin-case-wont-go-before-grand-jury-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-confirms/) [http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/top-stories/168391/the-iconic-photos-of-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-why-you-may-not-see-the-others/](http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/top-stories/168391/the-iconic-photos-of-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-why-you-may-not-see-the-others/) > **[Sign the Petition: Justice for Trayvon Martin](https://www.bet.com/article/cwfi0g/sign-the-petition-justice-for-trayvon-martin)** > > The parents of Trayvon Martin are appealing to the American public to sign a petition calling for the arrest and prosecution of George Zimmerman. > **[Feds Open Up Investigation Into Trayvon Martin Case](https://mybaltimorespirit.com/1823278/feds-open-up-investigation-into-trayvon-martin-case/)** > > There’s been a lot of talk on what should happen to the suspect in the Trayvon Martin case. The 17 year-old had been visiting his father when a self-appointed neighborhood watch thought him to be suspicious. George Zimmerman radioed officials and was... [http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news\_columnists\_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon.html](http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon.html) [http://www.inquisitr.com/219498/al-sharpton-the-hot-topic-when-trayvon-martins-mom-appears-on-bill-oreilly/](http://www.inquisitr.com/219498/al-sharpton-the-hot-topic-when-trayvon-martins-mom-appears-on-bill-oreilly/) [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-warns-dont-let-radicals-use-trayvon-martins-death-to-push-political-agendas/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-warns-dont-let-radicals-use-trayvon-martins-death-to-push-political-agendas/) > **[George Zimmerman To Be Charged In Trayvon Martin Shooting](https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/george-zimmerman-be-charged-trayvon-martin-shooting/)** > > By Debbie Emery - Radar Reporter > Prosecutors will reveal on Wednesday afternoon what official charges will be made against George Zimmerman in the high profile [http://www.papermasters.com/blog/trayvon-martin/](http://www.papermasters.com/blog/trayvon-martin/) [http://queensofkings.com/trayvon-martin-case-zimmerman-could-be-facing-more-serious-charges/undated-handout-photo-released-by-the-martin-family-public-relations-representative-shows-17-year-old-trayvon-martin/](http://queensofkings.com/trayvon-martin-case-zimmerman-could-be-facing-more-serious-charges/undated-handout-photo-released-by-the-martin-family-public-relations-representative-shows-17-year-old-trayvon-martin/) [http://www.northjersey.com/news/national/Fla\_to\_look\_at\_self-defense\_laws\_after\_killing\_of\_Trayvon\_Martin.html](http://www.northjersey.com/news/national/Fla_to_look_at_self-defense_laws_after_killing_of_Trayvon_Martin.html) [http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/trayvon-zimmerman-update-special-prosecutor-plans-announcement/](http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/trayvon-zimmerman-update-special-prosecutor-plans-announcement/) [http://www.blacktopix.com/?p=124](http://www.blacktopix.com/?p=124) [http://gumbumper.com/2012/04/audio-experts-say-it-was-not-george-zimmerman-crying-for-help-on-trayvon-martin-911-call/](http://gumbumper.com/2012/04/audio-experts-say-it-was-not-george-zimmerman-crying-for-help-on-trayvon-martin-911-call/) > **[There Are Plenty of Reasons To Believe Trayvon Martin’s Killer Is Lying](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/03/floridas-stand-your-ground-law-doesnt-prohibit-that-they-arrest-george-zimmerman-for-killing-trayvon-martin.html)** > > Read Slate’s complete coverage of the Trayvon Martin case. [http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0316/Trayvon-Martin-killing-in-Florida-puts-Stand-Your-Ground-law-on-trial](http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0316/Trayvon-Martin-killing-in-Florida-puts-Stand-Your-Ground-law-on-trial) > **[George Zimmerman’s “self defense” story of Trayvon Martin shooting falls apart](http://feministing.com/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-self-defense-story-of-trayvon-martin-shooting-falls-apart/)** > > ABC News obtained the police surveillence video recorded right after George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.  Zimmerman through his attorney and his “black friend” Joe Oliver claims that he and Trayvon got into a fight on the night that... > **[Trayvon Martin Could Have Been One of My Kids](https://www.good.is/articles/trayvon-martin-could-have-been-one-of-my-kids)** > > Trayvon's killing has implications for all Americans, not just black people. [http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/04/10/461681/gay-newspaper-editorial-on-trayvon-martins-death-ignores-reality-of-racial-oppression/](http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/04/10/461681/gay-newspaper-editorial-on-trayvon-martins-death-ignores-reality-of-racial-oppression/) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4565 "2012-07-28T06:13:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, it’s an opinion, as in “it is your opinion that Martin wandering around the neighborhood looking into houses is what someone on a hands-free call would do” just like “it was Zimmerman’s opinion that a stranger wandering around the neighborhood looking into houses is suspicious activity”. Nonsense. It’s a fact that he was engaged in a call at the time Zimmerman was made his call to the police, and it’s a fact that when you’re on a call you disengage to some degree with your environment. Martin’s “suspicious” behaviour is explained by the solid fact that he was on the fricking phone and behaving like anyone does when they’re walking and talking. > [@doorhinge](#): > > What hands-free phone was Martin using? He had a crappy t-mobile phone of some description. His phone and [T-mobile Universal 3.5mm hands-free headset](http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-T-Mobile-Universal-3-5mm-Hands-Free-Stereo-Headset-Wired-Earphones-/360459802339) were found next to his body. Surely you knew that, though. What are you getting at by asking for this detail? Do you think that his cellphone records are fabrications, and that he wasn’t _really_ on the phone right up until the physical struggle began? Or do you think that Zimmerman somehow overlooked him holding a phone to his head? I understand that the fact that he was engaged in a call when he supposedly walked up to Zimmerman and dummied him without provocation may cause some cognitive dissonance, because it is difficult to credit that someone would initiate an assault against someone without wrapping up with the girl they were chatting with first… but you can’t just pretend that that’s not exactly what was happening when Zimmerman said he was attacked without provocation - the evidence is clear in this regard. Trayvon’s call terminating the way it did is a _lot_ easier to understand if you consider the possibility that the confrontation started with Zimmerman laying his hands on Trayvon in an effort to hold him in place, which is something you might expect from someone who lamented “these assholes always get away” only a couple of minutes earlier. It doesn’t make a lick of sense otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4566 "2012-07-28T14:42:48Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > There is one witness who will testify seeing the shooting from her window. She gave an interview last night on CNN. You can see it here: [http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/video-eyewitness-to-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-speaks-out/](http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/video-eyewitness-to-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-speaks-out/) > > Here statement not only is damning to Zimmerman. It’s damning to Serino and the rest of the SPD. If its true (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) it is further evidence this police department is both sloppy and dirty. Isn’t that Mary Cutcher in the video? It looks like Cutcher? She’s the blond witness who has “also” said that she didn’t see the actual confrontation. She’s has said that she was in the kitchen during the confrontation. She’s said she heard the crying. A little boy crying. As soon as the gun went off, the crying stopped. Therefore, that told her that the crying was not Zimmerman??? > **[ItemFix - Social Video Factory](https://www.itemfix.com/?r=ll)** > > Social Video Factory Cutcher has also says that she saw Zimmerman get off Martin’s body, which occured after the gunshot and after Zimmerman had attempted to restrain the prostrate Martin, according to another eyewitness. > **[Two Witnesses to Trayvon Martin’s Death Explain What They Saw](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/04/witnesses-mary-cutcher-and-selma-mora-offer-their-account-of-what-happened-the-night-trayvon-martin-died.html)** > > SANFORD, Fla.—Mary Cutcher and Selma Mora were making coffee when they heard the whine outside their window. Coffee after work, after 7 p.m., was a... If that is Cutcher, she’s already undermined her own credibility and her opinion of the poor performance of Serino isn’t going to help the prosecution’s case. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4567 "2012-07-28T14:54:58Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Nonsense. It’s a fact that he was engaged in a call at the time Zimmerman was made his call to the police… I have been having a great deal of trouble reconciling the phone record which has been presented as TM’s w/ Dee Dee’s account. According to her, she was connected to TM’s phone then was disconnected twice and called him back twice WHILE GZ was in the picture. The phone records show multiple calls, but the time period period would extend for much longer than than what is in accord w/ the NEN call or GZ’s other accounts. There’s more than one situation which could account for this discrepancy. But most all of those situations involve someone’s account, (or the phone records provided), being dodgy. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4568 "2012-07-28T14:59:25Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > …He had a crappy t-mobile phone of some description. His phone and [T-mobile Universal 3.5mm hands-free headset](http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-T-Mobile-Universal-3-5mm-Hands-Free-Stereo-Headset-Wired-Earphones-/360459802339) were found next to his body. **Surely you knew that, though**. What are you getting at by asking for this detail? Do you think that his cellphone records are fabrications, and that he wasn’t _really_ on the phone right up until the physical struggle began? **Or do you think that Zimmerman somehow overlooked him holding a phone to his head**? I asked because I didn’t know what phone Martin was using. I thought that maybe you did. Oh well. Why would Martin be holding a “crappy t-mobile phone” with a “hands-free-stereo-wired-earphones” to his head? Isn’t that the reason someone would have hands-free earphones? So they don’t have to hold the phone to their head? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4569 "2012-07-28T15:04:55Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Just a few to start you off. I led the horse to water… Now you drink. > > [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20582259,00.html](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20582259,00.html) > [http://www.people.com/people/news/category/0,,personsTax:TrayvonMartin,00.html](http://www.people.com/people/news/category/0,,personsTax:TrayvonMartin,00.html) > [http://www.pbs.org/pov/blog/docsoup/2012/03/on-pinterest-and-in-documentaries-dont-judge-a-killer-by-an-image/](http://www.pbs.org/pov/blog/docsoup/2012/03/on-pinterest-and-in-documentaries-dont-judge-a-killer-by-an-image/) > [Autopsy Report Says Trayvon Martin Had THC in His System - The Atlantic](http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/05/autopsy-report-says-trayvon-marting-had-thc-his-system/52500/) > [http://teachingforchange.org/news/TeachingaboutTrayvon](http://teachingforchange.org/news/TeachingaboutTrayvon) > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon\_Martin.jpg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin.jpg) > [http://www.vibe.com/article/prosecutor-rules-no-grand-jury-trayvon-martin-case](http://www.vibe.com/article/prosecutor-rules-no-grand-jury-trayvon-martin-case) > [http://allhiphop.com/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-and-the-fatal-history-of-american-racism/](http://allhiphop.com/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-and-the-fatal-history-of-american-racism/) > [http://thegrio.com/2012/03/25/trayvon-martin-justice-department-could-bring-hate-crime-charge/](http://thegrio.com/2012/03/25/trayvon-martin-justice-department-could-bring-hate-crime-charge/) > [What The Tweets Are Saying About Trayvon Martin](http://www.vibe.com/photo-gallery/what-tweets-are-saying-about-trayvon-martin) > [http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/gingrich-and-santorum-claim-race-not-relevant-in-trayvon-martin-case.php](http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/gingrich-and-santorum-claim-race-not-relevant-in-trayvon-martin-case.php) > [StockExaminer - AI-Powered Stock Chatbot](http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-martin-s-body-showed-no-sign-of-fight-contradicting-zimmerman-s-claim) > [Traces of Marijuana Found in Trayvon Martin’s Body: Does It Matter? | TIME.com](http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/18/traces-of-marijuana-found-in-trayvon-martins-body-does-it-matter-2/) > [http://www.inquisitr.com/217478/trayvon-martin-case-wont-go-before-grand-jury-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-confirms/](http://www.inquisitr.com/217478/trayvon-martin-case-wont-go-before-grand-jury-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-confirms/) > [http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/top-stories/168391/the-iconic-photos-of-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-why-you-may-not-see-the-others/](http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/top-stories/168391/the-iconic-photos-of-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-why-you-may-not-see-the-others/) > [Sign the Petition: Justice for Trayvon Martin | News | BET](http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/03/22/sign-the-petition-justice-for-trayvon-martin.html) > [Feds Open Up Investigation Into Trayvon Martin Case - Spirit 1400](http://mybaltimorespirit.com/1823278/feds-open-up-investigation-into-trayvon-martin-case/) > [http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news\_columnists\_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon.html](http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon.html) > [http://www.inquisitr.com/219498/al-sharpton-the-hot-topic-when-trayvon-martins-mom-appears-on-bill-oreilly/](http://www.inquisitr.com/219498/al-sharpton-the-hot-topic-when-trayvon-martins-mom-appears-on-bill-oreilly/) > [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-warns-dont-let-radicals-use-trayvon-martins-death-to-push-political-agendas/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-warns-dont-let-radicals-use-trayvon-martins-death-to-push-political-agendas/) > [George Zimmerman To Be Charged In Trayvon Martin Shooting](http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/george-zimmerman-be-charged-trayvon-martin-shooting) > [http://www.papermasters.com/blog/trayvon-martin/](http://www.papermasters.com/blog/trayvon-martin/) > [http://queensofkings.com/trayvon-martin-case-zimmerman-could-be-facing-more-serious-charges/undated-handout-photo-released-by-the-martin-family-public-relations-representative-shows-17-year-old-trayvon-martin/](http://queensofkings.com/trayvon-martin-case-zimmerman-could-be-facing-more-serious-charges/undated-handout-photo-released-by-the-martin-family-public-relations-representative-shows-17-year-old-trayvon-martin/) > [http://www.northjersey.com/news/national/Fla\_to\_look\_at\_self-defense\_laws\_after\_killing\_of\_Trayvon\_Martin.html](http://www.northjersey.com/news/national/Fla_to_look_at_self-defense_laws_after_killing_of_Trayvon_Martin.html) > [http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/trayvon-zimmerman-update-special-prosecutor-plans-announcement/](http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/trayvon-zimmerman-update-special-prosecutor-plans-announcement/) > [http://www.blacktopix.com/?p=124](http://www.blacktopix.com/?p=124) > [http://gumbumper.com/2012/04/audio-experts-say-it-was-not-george-zimmerman-crying-for-help-on-trayvon-martin-911-call/](http://gumbumper.com/2012/04/audio-experts-say-it-was-not-george-zimmerman-crying-for-help-on-trayvon-martin-911-call/) > [Florida’s Stand Your Ground law doesn’t prohibit that they arrest George Zimmerman for killing Trayvon Martin.](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/03/florida_s_stand_your_ground_law_doesn_t_prohibit_that_they_arrest_george_zimmerman_for_killing_trayvon_martin_.html) > [Trayvon Martin killing in Florida puts 'Stand Your Ground' law on trial - CSMonitor.com](http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0316/Trayvon-Martin-killing-in-Florida-puts-Stand-Your-Ground-law-on-trial) > [George Zimmerman’s “self defense” story of Trayvon Martin shooting falls apart](http://feministing.com/2012/03/29/george-zimmermans-self-defense-story-of-trayvon-martin-shooting-falls-apart/) > [http://www.good.is/post/trayvon-martin-could-have-been-one-of-my-kids/](http://www.good.is/post/trayvon-martin-could-have-been-one-of-my-kids/) > [http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/04/10/461681/gay-newspaper-editorial-on-trayvon-martins-death-ignores-reality-of-racial-oppression/](http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/04/10/461681/gay-newspaper-editorial-on-trayvon-martins-death-ignores-reality-of-racial-oppression/) I’ll start clicking on them when I see the rest of the three hundred. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4570 "2012-07-28T16:24:21Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > There is one witness who will testify seeing the shooting from her window. She gave an interview last night on CNN. You can see it here: [http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/video-eyewitness-to-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-speaks-out/](http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/video-eyewitness-to-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-speaks-out/) > > Here statement not only is damning to Zimmerman. It’s damning to Serino and the rest of the SPD. If its true (and I have no reason to doubt that it is) it is further evidence this police department is both sloppy and dirty. > > ETA this interview aired in April, my bad. It just must have missed me. I listened to the interview. This is Witness 18. She lives at 3021 Retreat View Circle. She would have been about 90 feet away from the shooting. **911 Call** [http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html/zimmermanevidence/audio/W18\_SPD02262012call.wav](http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html/zimmermanevidence/audio/W18_SPD02262012call.wav) **SPD Interview** [http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html/zimmermanevidence/audio/W18\_SPD02262012.wav](http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html/zimmermanevidence/audio/W18_SPD02262012.wav) Of course her comments about the ‘boy’ are pretty weak, since you can actually hear Trayvon Martin voice in the 7-11 recording and it isn’t a boy’s voice. You might want to read what Jeralyn wrote about her on July 10th. [http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2045.0.html](http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2045.0.html) > [@](#): > > This is a classic case of an eyewitness memory being contaminated by post-event information, where the witness’ memory of the original event is blended with information received later through the media. The result is a new memory is formed that is not accurate. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4571 "2012-07-28T18:36:38Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Nonsense. It’s a fact that he was engaged in a call at the time Zimmerman was made his call to the police, and it’s a fact that when you’re on a call you disengage to some degree with your environment. Martin’s “suspicious” behaviour is explained by the solid fact that he was on the fricking phone and behaving like anyone does when they’re walking and talking. He looked a little tweaky and disengaged in the full-length 7-11 video too. > [@](#): > > it is difficult to credit that someone would initiate an assault against someone without wrapping up with the girl they were chatting with first… Not if it were done in part for that girl’s benefit. > [@](#): > > Trayvon’s call terminating the way it did is a _lot_ easier to understand if you consider the possibility that the confrontation started with Zimmerman laying his hands on Trayvon in an effort to hold him in place, which is something you might expect from someone who lamented “these assholes always get away” only a couple of minutes earlier. It doesn’t make a lick of sense otherwise. Sure it does. He knew Zimmerman had been watching Trayvon and had probably called the cops on him. Then he saw Z wandering past the “T”-intersection poking around where he had just been and probably saw Z looking south in his direction. He was on the phone with a girl he wanted to impress so he went over there and confronted the guy. And then attacked him. The fact he was frustrated about troublemakers always getting away explains why he headed to the T-intersection to see which way Trayvon had gone. It doesn’t translate into trying to ‘capture’ Trayvon himself. ---
**Author:** ![Tekefer007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@Tekefer007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tekefer007)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4572 "2012-07-28T19:27:54Z")
Zimmerman’s recorded phone call, his clear agitation on the phone and his willingness to disregard the 9-1-1 operator’s request to disengage stalking Trayvon Martin is all of the incriminating evidence anyone with at least a 1/4 of a brain needs to determine this person is guilty as sin. The fact that the judge let him out on bail and even let him out on bail after finding that Zimmerman willfully attempted to conceal copious amounts of money that could have been easily used to leave the country in and of it self is offensive and speaks a bias on the part of the judge that should not be overlooked. Many violent offenders are never offered bail and virtually all Black accused violent offenders are never offered bail. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4573 "2012-07-28T20:14:45Z")
> [@Tekefer007](#): > > Zimmerman’s recorded phone call, his clear agitation on the phone and his willingness to disregard the 9-1-1 operator’s request to disengage stalking Trayvon Martin is all of the incriminating evidence anyone with at least a 1/4 of a brain needs to determine this person is guilty as sin I agree that someone with 1/4 of a brain would be convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt based on the reasons you listed. There is no evidence he ever ‘stalked’ young Mr. Martin. He walked to the “T”-section to see if he could tell where he’d gone. That was the extent of his “stalking”. Trayvon headed south, Zimmerman headed east. No stalking. No chasing. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4574 "2012-07-28T21:16:46Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Nonsense. It’s a fact that he was engaged in a call at the time Zimmerman was made his call to the police, and it’s a fact that when you’re on a call you disengage to some degree with your environment. Martin’s “suspicious” behaviour is explained by the solid fact that he was on the fricking phone and behaving like anyone does when they’re walking and talking.He had a crappy t-mobile phone of some description. His phone and [T-mobile Universal 3.5mm hands-free headset](http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-T-Mobile-Universal-3-5mm-Hands-Free-Stereo-Headset-Wired-Earphones-/360459802339) were found next to his body. Surely you knew that, though. What are you getting at by asking for this detail? Do you think that his cellphone records are fabrications, and that he wasn’t _really_ on the phone right up until the physical struggle began? Or do you think that Zimmerman somehow overlooked him holding a phone to his head? > > I understand that the fact that he was engaged in a call when he supposedly walked up to Zimmerman and dummied him without provocation may cause some cognitive dissonance, because it is difficult to credit that someone would initiate an assault against someone without wrapping up with the girl they were chatting with first… but you can’t just pretend that that’s not exactly what was happening when Zimmerman said he was attacked without provocation - the evidence is clear in this regard. > > Trayvon’s call terminating the way it did is a _lot_ easier to understand if you consider the possibility that the confrontation started with Zimmerman laying his hands on Trayvon in an effort to hold him in place, which is something you might expect from someone who lamented “these assholes always get away” only a couple of minutes earlier. It doesn’t make a lick of sense otherwise. Some confusing reports have the headphones in Martin’s hoodie pocket, as is a decal off his hoodie, and the iced tea. Looks like Trayvon was planning to rumble. The bag in which the Arizon juice was in is nearby. DeeDee’s statement is dreadful for the prosecution, in that she has Trayvon near his father’s house, and minutes later the confrontation begins, near the T. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4575 "2012-07-28T21:21:57Z")
> [@hmarvin](#): > > Looks like Trayvon was planning to rumble. Rumble? Was he a Jet or a Shark? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4576 "2012-07-29T01:33:38Z")
> [@Tekefer007](#): > > … is all of the incriminating evidence anyone with **at least a 1/4 of a brain** needs to determine this person is guilty as sin. Really? Only a 1/4 of a brain is needed to determine Zimmerman is guilty? How much of a person’s brain is required to understand that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4577 "2012-07-29T22:15:24Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I asked because I didn’t know what phone Martin was using. I thought that maybe you did. Oh well. > > Why would Martin be holding a “crappy t-mobile phone” with a “hands-free-stereo-wired-earphones” to his head? Isn’t that the reason someone would have hands-free earphones? So they don’t have to hold the phone to their head? Trayvon was using a bluetooth device. This is why I think Zimmerman thought he was suspicious. I’ve seen people using a bluetooth device from afar only to find out (as I walk closer to them) that they’re not schizophrenic but talking to someone on their bluetooth device. Zimmerman’s delusions were compounded by the weather, the time of day, and, of course, the impulsiveness of his putative ADD diagnosis. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4578 "2012-07-29T22:35:43Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > The biggest problem is that her claim doesn’t make sense. If Zimmerman were on top when the gunshot went off, then why was he face up? She doesn’t describe seeing anyone move any bodies around. She continues to call him “the boy”. Sounds like another witness whose account was corrupted by the media coverage. > > It’s definitely not ‘damning’ to anyone. Plus, she’s one of those crazy she-male types, you can tell from the voice ;p I think you’re trying with all of your intellectual might to diminish Zimmerman’s culpability and enlarge Trayvon’s. Instead of focusing on the meat and potatoes, you’re making an issue of semantics: Was he a boy? Was he a teenager? Was he a minor? He was _all_ of those things. Despite Zimmerman lying about a great deal of things so far, I find it amazing that you (and the peanut gallery) still maintain his version of the events as correct version. You should consider watching Zimmerman’s interview with Sean Hannity. He’s a poor-man’s Blagojevich - narcissistic to the bone. Did you read his newly minted website? He’s doing all of this stuff for _you_, his _supporters_ :rolleyes:. I’m surprised Zimmerman hasn’t make a guest appearance on _The View_, _Good Morning America_, and Anderson Cooper’s \*360 \*yet. This doesn’t sound like a man who is trying to prove his innocence, it’s the desperate act of a emotionally immature adult who needs to be in the middle of the spotlight. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4579 "2012-07-29T23:33:34Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > You should consider watching Zimmerman’s interview with Sean Hannity. He’s a poor-man’s Blagojevich - narcissistic to the bone. I haven’t watched it, but - how is this relevant to his being guilty or not guilty of the crime of which he is being accused? ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4580 "2012-07-30T00:41:54Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Trayvon was using a bluetooth device. This is why I think Zimmerman thought he was suspicious. I’ve seen people using a bluetooth device from afar only to find out (as I walk closer to them) that they’re not schizophrenic but talking to someone on their bluetooth device. Zimmerman’s delusions were compounded by the weather, the time of day, and, of course, the impulsiveness of his putative ADD diagnosis. > > - Honesty You really need to familiarize yourself with the evidence. Martin was using a wired headset. It is on the property list. You can actually see him talking on it on the 7-11 video. Of course, it would still be less than visible at night with a hoodie up. It is hard to take your opinion seriously when you screw even basic facts. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4581 "2012-07-30T00:56:32Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > You really need to familiarize yourself with the evidence. Martin was using a wired headset. It is on the property list. You can actually see him talking on it on the 7-11 video. Of course, it would still be less than visible at night with a hoodie up. It is hard to take your opinion seriously when you screw even basic facts. Dude, I don’t care if you take my opinion seriously or not. \*\* Trayvon Martin used a bluetooth device\*\*. Whether it’s called a “wired headset” on the property list doesn’t budge me. - Honesty [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=228) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=230)