# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 347
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2012, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6923 "2012-11-04T23:09:27Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He was being reasonable. He called the police. Martin was being unreasonable, he didn’t call the police and instead attacked Zimmerman even though there was no threat in the conversation. He didn’t call the police, he called an nen number and made the most confusing complaint/report I’ve ever heard. If he’d designed his conversation to be purposely evasive, it couldn’t have been more useless. > [@Magiver](#): > > He could have been waiting in the shadows. This has been suggested a number of times by me. He chose to talk to his girlfriend instead of the police. He chose to attack Zimmerman. It must be nice being able to chose whether he was in the shadows or down by his dad’s and him still be able to be at the T in time for Z to walk past without a care in the world other than finding a phantom address. > [@Magiver](#): > > You said he called his bluff. I can’t read your mind. All your posts are imaginary scenarios without any evidence to support them. That’s not nice! > [@Magiver](#): > > No, Zimmerman didn’t keep him in sight all across the estate. He lost him when he went by the club house. It’s not baffling that he left the car. The whole purpose was to direct the police to Martin. It makes perfect sense. Lost him? How could he fucking lose him? He’d only walked about 20 yards past him. It certainly didn’t take him long to decide to follow and by all rights he should have had TM in his sights all the way to the dog path, unless he was already up ahead of TM, and I’m sure a smart guy like Z knows how to use his rear view mirrors. > [@Magiver](#): > > It doesn’t make sense for Martin to approach Zimmerman to get a lay of the land and there is nothing in the conversation that is threatening. He’s not approaching Z to get a lay of the land. He’s lying low for a moment while he tries to figure out his next move. As I’ve mentioned, if Z was still in the car when TM looked back and began to run, how was he to know that he wouldn’t drive ahead and be waiting for him? Ffs, give the lad the benefit of the doubt at least once. > [@Magiver](#): > > Zimmerman’s entire conversation on the phone and his re-enactment is compared to the evidence at hand. It’s a function of evidence that directly contradicts his account. Erm… whatever. > [@Magiver](#): > > Yes, the evidence shows this as the location of the start of the fight. He doesn’t have to say anything and the evidence shows this. It moved a few feet south where witnesses can account for the remainder of the fight. The evidence “indicates,” not proves the T as being where the fight begun, but it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to throw a few objects into convenient places. You think this is beyond Z for some reason, but stranger things have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6924 "2012-11-04T23:55:49Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > He didn’t call the police, he called an nen number and made the most confusing complaint/report I’ve ever heard. If he’d designed his conversation to be purposely evasive, it couldn’t have been more useless. He called the police and they were dispatched to the scene. There is zero doubt about this. Why would even suggest otherwise? Posting another plot without evidence just makes such a bizarre statement worse. > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > It must be nice being able to chose whether he was in the shadows or down by his dad’s and him still be able to be at the T in time for Z to walk past without a care in the world other than finding a phantom address. What does nice have to do with it? He’s not at the T intersection, and then he is. Zimmerman has a care in the world. He’s waiting for the police to arrive and heading back toward the location he directed them to. > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > That’s not nice! you may have based a theory based on evidence but I don’t recall it. > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > Lost him? How could he fucking lose him? He’d only walked about 20 yards past him. It certainly didn’t take him long to decide to follow and by all rights he should have had TM in his sights all the way to the dog path, unless he was already up ahead of TM, and I’m sure a smart guy like Z knows how to use his rear view mirrors. According to Zimmerman Martin walked past him when he called the police. That involves going around the corner. And no, it wouldn’t take long to drive around the corner. And yes, he would have Martin in sight all the way to the T. And he wasn’t there. > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > He’s not approaching Z to get a lay of the land. He’s lying low for a moment while he tries to figure out his next move. As I’ve mentioned, if Z was still in the car when TM looked back and began to run, how was he to know that he wouldn’t drive ahead and be waiting for him? Ffs, give the lad the benefit of the doubt at least once. How could he “drive ahead” if he’s not in his truck? What point are you trying to make? > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > Erm… whatever. ”whatever” is everything. Either the evidence backs up his statements, is neutral, or contradicts. It’s the whole case. > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > The evidence “indicates,” not proves the T as being where the fight begun, but it wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to throw a few objects into convenient places. You think this is beyond Z for some reason, but stranger things have happened. It wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to post an infinite number of possibilities without evidence to back it up. You could at least give them 5 seconds of thought before posting them. The police arrived at the scene right after it happened and witnesses were watching Zimmerman. Not only would it be impossible for Zimmerman to go back and drop his flashlight it would serve no purpose. He would be creating evidence for a story that didn’t need to be concocted. The precise spot where the fight starts doesn’t matter. What matters is that his account is consistent with the evidence. Zimmerman would risk the contradiction of a witness if he tried to make something up. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6925 "2012-11-05T00:37:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > And this is consistent with Zimmerman’s account as is Dee Dee’s testimony that Martin engaged in conversation first. He came to Zimmerman. The confrontation is the product of Martin and there is no evidence of a threat by Zimmerman. Which is consistent? That M did backflips? Are you attempting taking my speculation as some sort of a rebuttal to my earlier assertion that I don’t even know if M was at the “T”? ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6926 "2012-11-05T00:48:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Maybe he preferred beating people’s heads against the ground to stabbing them. **Or maybe even his father’s girlfriend may have been moved to ask why he needed a knife to go back outside.** I suspect he thought he was enough of ass-kicker not to need artificial aids. Unfortunately for him, it turned out that the ass-kickee had a gun. > > But there is no way to tell. > > Regards, > Shodan Jesus, **Shodan**. That sentence I bolded above? Obviously, you’re unfamiliar with the basic facts of the case, and yet you still have so many opinions you must continue to share. Why are you so invested if you can’t be bothered to read an overview? > [@Steophan](#): > > Assuming Martin couldn’t see Zimmerman either, you’ve just admitted there could be no threat he could perceive. So, do you have a suggestion why Martin would then, instead of walking home with his snacks, either wait for Zimmerman to find him, or actually return to him? I’m struggling to think of an innocent explanation for that, and no-one’s supplied one yet. > > Not that Martin’s motive actually matters, as he’s not on trial, only his actions. Innocent explanation? Here’s a few: 1. No housekey was found in Trayvon’s possession, so he may have feared that if he continued home, Chad may have not opened the door quickly enough, and Trayvon would have been trapped on the lighted stoop/porch. 2. He may have feared leading a creepy guy back to a house with no adults home. 3. He may have thought that any threat was gone and wanted to continue talking n private to a hot girl without his 13-year-old friend/stepbrother hanging all over him wanting to know what was going on. What you say about motive here is interesting. When we look at crimes, we try to figure out whodunnit by looking at possible motives. This doesn’t always work of course, because out there we got crazy people who act according to motives that only make sense to themselves. Some murderers kill for money or revenge, and some kill because they snorted a bad batch of bath salts. The face-eaters of the world. Here we got a shooter with a motive: to stop a rash of local break-ins, and to stop suspects from “getting away.” He’s on record as expressing anger at the dead boy, referring to him as one of “these assholes” and “f@cking punks.” Here we have a dead guy with no logical reason to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s speculation, that Martin knew that Zimmerman had called the cops on Martin, makes even less sense: what kind of idiot attacks when he knows the cops are on their way? Martin’s previous transgressions all have logical motives. He was caught with weed? Motive: he wanted to get high. He vandalized school lockers? Motive: a prank. Even the rumored transgression, the story that he was in possession of possibly stolen property? Most logical motive of all: people steal to get stuff. And yet Zimmerman’s supporters have no trouble at all believing that Trayvon was a face-eater. I find that curious. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6927 "2012-11-05T00:50:48Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Why yes, I do want people to be able to “make up” phrases to describe their thoughts. That’s the general purpose of language. So then don’t accuse me of not “understanding” English if you want people to make shit up like “racial rant” . I understand it well enough to call it bullshit. I love definition you gave it. You would make English teachers very proud. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6928 "2012-11-05T00:53:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Maybe he preferred beating people’s heads against the ground to stabbing them. Or maybe even his father’s girlfriend may have been moved to ask why he needed a knife to go back outside. I suspect he thought he was enough of ass-kicker not to need artificial aids. Unfortunately for him, it turned out that the ass-kickee had a gun. > > But there is no way to tell. > > Regards, > Shodan This man apparently isn’t joking. Talk about theories without evidence. This is the shit we’ve been dealing with **sugaree.** More of that black male archetype bull… Hence my previous statement. I will add this to the bag of statements of bias–I will include the statement about a knife. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6929 "2012-11-05T01:00:02Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > Which is consistent? That M did backflips? > > Are you attempting taking my speculation as some sort of a rebuttal to my earlier assertion that I don’t even know if M was at the “T”? Yes. Unless you’re going to posit that Martin wasn’t at the fight. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6930 "2012-11-05T01:01:10Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > Innocent explanation? Here’s a few: > > 1. No housekey was found in Trayvon’s possession, so he may have feared that if he continued home, Chad may have not opened the door quickly enough, and Trayvon would have been trapped on the lighted stoop/porch. > > 2. He may have feared leading a creepy guy back to a house with no adults home. > > 3. He may have thought that any threat was gone and wanted to continue talking n private to a hot girl without his 13-year-old friend/stepbrother hanging all over him wanting to know what was going on. > > What you say about motive here is interesting…And yet Zimmerman’s supporters have no trouble at all believing that Trayvon was a face-eater\*\*. I find that curious.\*\* Don’t find it curious… That’s the archetype I have been talking about. Trayvon Martin was a "No limit Nigg\* with a hair trigga (temper) as described by the warm and caring **Shodan**. The three things you mentioned don’t fit in with the idea of a black violent thug and a great guy who was “defending his neighborhood”. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6931 "2012-11-05T01:03:09Z")
> [@betenoire39](#): > > This man apparently isn’t joking. > > Talk about theories without evidence. > . Wow. You didn’t even here the wooshing sound. He was making fun of all the speculation. Note his last sentence: “But there is no way to tell.” He’s done nothing but talk about matching evidence to Zimmerman’s account. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6932 "2012-11-05T01:06:48Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Wow. You didn’t even here the wooshing sound. He was making fun of all the speculation. Note his last sentence: “But there is no way to tell.” > > He’s done nothing but talk about matching evidence to Zimmerman’s account. maybe…hard to separate from his previous comments. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6933 "2012-11-05T01:17:17Z")
> [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > He didn’t call the police, he called an nen number and made the most confusing complaint/report I’ve ever heard. If he’d designed his conversation to be purposely evasive, it couldn’t have been more useless. **Dimmy** , from your use of the term estate, I’m thinking that you’re not American. Here we have the emergency response line (911) and the non-emergency number (usually 311, I believe). Both are the way to call police, but you’re supposed to call 911 for emergencies (fire, need an ambulance, just found a dead body), and the nen line for non-emergencies (potholes, graffiti, garbage). At both numbers, you speak to a dispatcher (maybe the same dispatcher) who is trained to determine what services you need. I found that odd actually. A suspicious character who may be casing houses seems like an emergency to me, police were quickly dispatched, and I just have no idea why Zimmerman chose to bypass 911 and dial the number that I’d dial to report a knocked-over street sign. > [@dimmy\_derko](#): > > Btw, have you discovered whether he even had any cash or credit cards in his possession when he went shopping that evening? I’ve tried trawling the internet for the details, but I’m having no luck. Perhaps your keen mind is already aware of such information? Zimmerman’s clothes were kept and inventoried that night, so I think it’s reasonable to assume the contents of his pockets were at least noted. But I don’t recall coming across that information (and I don’t think I’m up for scanning through the pdf files of evidence tonight!) I have read elsewhere on the Internet that Zimmerman had no plastic or checks and under $3 cash on him, but even if true, that might just mean he had his bank card stashed in his vehicle. Or that he would have gone to the store and then remember at the check-out that he had left his bank card on his computer desk…we’ve all done that. I do wonder if he wasn’t on the way to Target at all. I wonder if instead he was patrolling his neighborhood in his capacity as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, and that maybe the Target story was just a throwaway lie to explain away the presence of his gun (NW volunteers are not supposed to carry firearms. It’s not illegal, but it’s against the NW rules). And while I don’t think it’s odd to take your gun to Target, I think it’s mighty odd that six shells were still in his gun after the shooting. Apparently Zimmerman keeps one in the chamber, in case you ponderin’. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6934 "2012-11-05T01:23:01Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > 1. No housekey was found in Trayvon’s possession, so he may have feared that if he continued home, Chad may have not opened the door quickly enough, and Trayvon would have been trapped on the lighted stoop/porch. If only he had a phone to call Chad and tell him to turn the light off and open the door after 2 soft knocks. > [@sugaree](#): > > 1. He may have feared leading a creepy guy back to a house with no adults home. If only he had a phone to call the police. > [@sugaree](#): > > 1. He may have thought that any threat was gone and wanted to continue talking n private to a hot girl without his 13-year-old friend/stepbrother hanging all over him wanting to know what was going on. If only he had a phone that he could hang up so he could call the hot girl. > [@sugaree](#): > > What you say about motive here is interesting. When we look at crimes, we try to figure out whodunnit by looking at possible motives. This doesn’t always work of course, because out there we got crazy people who act according to motives that only make sense to themselves. Some murderers kill for money or revenge, and some kill because they snorted a bad batch of bath salts. The face-eaters of the world. > > Here we got a shooter with a motive: to stop a rash of local break-ins, and to stop suspects from “getting away.” He’s on record as expressing anger at the dead boy, referring to him as one of “these assholes” and “f@cking punks.” > > Here we have a dead guy with no logical reason to attack Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s speculation, that Martin knew that Zimmerman had called the cops on Martin, makes even less sense: what kind of idiot attacks when he knows the cops are on their way? doesn’t sound like a good speculation on Zimmerman’s part does it? What does make sense is that a troubled kid took enough offense to a challenge for being in the neighborhood that he took a swing at Zimmerman and it spun out of control. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6935 "2012-11-05T01:24:21Z")
> [@betenoire39](#): > > Don’t find it curious… > > That’s the archetype I have been talking about. > > Trayvon Martin was a "No limit Nigg\* with a hair trigga (temper) as described by the warm and caring **Shodan**. > > The three things you mentioned don’t fit in with the idea of a black violent thug and a great guy who was “defending his neighborhood”. And that whole thing. Let us remember that a young Zimmerman had a Myspace where he called himself datniggytb and bragged about how his friends were so great they went to jail for something that Zimmerman himself did but never dropped a dime on him. And you know what all that shows? It shows that American males in their late teens and early twenties like to look tough. Young deer ram their heads together using their antlers as weapons, young humans talk smack on the Internet. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6936 "2012-11-05T01:30:30Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > If only he had a phone that he could hang up so he could call the hot girl. You know, I’m really hoping I’ve misunderstood you here, because I really can’t believe you went there. > [@Magiver](#): > > doesn’t sound like a good speculation on Zimmerman’s part does it? What does make sense is that a troubled kid took enough offense to a challenge for being in the neighborhood that he took a swing at Zimmerman and it spun out of control. No, that doesn’t make sense. That only makes sense if you assume [this guy](http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1525&bih=676&tbm=isch&tbnid=ctO-IKP-EC1-IM:&imgrefurl=http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/on-the-age-and-innocence-of-trayvon-martin/255293/&docid=G7GP0jIcLkWJOM&imgurl=http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/tanehisicoates/trayvon-martin-family-photos-4.jpg&w=540&h=720&ei=MBaXUIX1O5OC0QHZvoGICg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1288&vpy=229&dur=1064&hovh=259&hovw=194&tx=135&ty=171&sig=113240981265336267926&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=117&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0,i:95) is a face-eater. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6937 "2012-11-05T01:44:49Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > No, that doesn’t make sense. If you claim that it isn’t insulting to be challenged in your own neighborhood I’m not going to believe you. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6938 "2012-11-05T01:50:42Z")
I supposed it would be. I’ve never been “challenged” in any neighborhood. But normal people do not physically attack at some perception of a challenge. Face-eaters, they do. ---
**Author:** ![betenoire39](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@betenoire39](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoire39)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6939 "2012-11-05T01:57:29Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > And that whole thing. Let us remember that a young Zimmerman had a Myspace where he called himself datniggytb and bragged about how his friends were so great they went to jail for something that Zimmerman himself did but never dropped a dime on him. > > And you know what all that shows? It shows that American males in their late teens and early twenties like to look tough. Young deer ram their heads together using their antlers as weapons, young humans talk smack on the Internet. But we do have to remember to choose our online names with care…after all, if you get shot by neighborhood watch, people are going to make assumptions about you. Choose “peaceful” online handles to give people the impression you are a peaceful person. Because we all know that online names speak VOLUMES about who we are as a person (as well as any religious, ethnic or ESPECIALLY racial group you belong to. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Saraya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Saraya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saraya)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6940 "2012-11-05T10:26:20Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > I supposed it would be. I’ve never been “challenged” in any neighborhood. > > But normal people do not physically attack at some perception of a challenge. Face-eaters, they do. Really, they don’t? Because it seems that’s one of the problems we have with these “American males in their late teens and early twenties.” It’s all bout fronting, turf, image and reputation. Watch any modern gangster rap video - if you need some visual clarification.rsely, face-eaters don’t need a reason to attack someone, they’re mentally and chemically unstable. Feel free to open another discussion for example, of how Rodney King ‘perceived’ the police were threatening him, or how the homeless guy was on Mr. Bath Salts turf - or something equally preposterous as that. ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6941 "2012-11-05T10:52:58Z")
> [@Saraya](#): > > Really, they don’t? Because it seems that’s one of the problems we have with these “American males in their late teens and early twenties.” > > It’s all bout fronting, turf, image and reputation. > Watch any modern gangster rap video - if you need some visual clarification.rsely, face-eaters don’t need a reason to attack someone, they’re mentally and chemically unstable. Is it common for them to be doing this shit when they haven’t got an audience, or are you happy with the suggestion by some that this is exactly what he was doing for DD? I’ve had a few encounters with these rough and ready types you are talking about and the ones who’ll actually front up to someone who doesn’t show any fear or signs of obvious weakess are few and far between. ---
**Author:** ![dimmy\_derko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/43a26b/32.png) [@dimmy\_derko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dimmy_derko)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/6942 "2012-11-05T10:59:31Z")
ps. Actually, I’m wrong saying they wont even front you(by front I mean “make aggressive challenges and act like a tough guy who shouldn’t be messed with”). They’ll do plenty of fronting, but the likelihood of them doing any attacking is minimal, to non-existent, in most cases. I’m supposed to be being led to believe that Trayvon was one of these exceptions, and I’m just not buying it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=346) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=348)