# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 469
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9363 "2013-03-11T04:17:23Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > How do you equate “losing the only witness who claimed to know what happened” as “having him by the balls”? He’s not waiving his right to immunity, just to this specific hearing, and the only reason the defence would do that is because they feel it is unnecessary - that is, there is no chance of a conviction. Real talk. Also, to give the judge the political cover to grant it. And, take away the political ramifications of everything, it would definitely be granted. In a heartbeat by any judge. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9364 "2013-03-11T04:20:55Z")
I have to tell you all, I was extremely disappointed that Trayvon’s “girlfriend” told a few whoppers (hooked up to the EKG machine in the hospital, I am 16 years old). I was absolutely stunned. I had thought for sure that anyone that Trayvon Martin associated with would be a fellow honor student and have the utmost respect for the truth. Trayvon must be spinning in his grave. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9365 "2013-03-11T21:11:49Z")
> [@Saraya](#): > > I can picture it now. > > "Miss (whatever her last name is), you told the police that you “heard grass” is that correct? > “Uh-huh” > "Is that a ‘yes’?’ > “I guess” > **looks at judge, judge waves it on** > “And could you explain for the court what grass sounds like, at least from your perspective?” > “I un-no ya know, grass and shit” > “Miss please refrain from swearing in my court room” > “Aight…” > “Miss, you’ll need to be more specific” > “Uh what’s spesifik mean?” > “Pardon?” > “I un-no what that word means” > **head shake** > “What sound does grass make?” > “Like shoes on grass” > **head shake** > “So, if I may expand upon your interpretation - the sound of grass is a wet slippery sound or?” > “ya..I guess” > “Is that a yes or no” > “Look I dunno, can we hurry this up.” > **Dee Dee looks at Crump** > “Are you in a hurry to go somewhere Miss?” > “…” > “Why do you keep looking at Mr. Crump?” > “Listen ya’ll, I want to get outta here and get me a no. 7. That man said he’d buy me one and biggie size it, if I said what he told me to” > **OBJECTION** > **Laughter in the court room** > “No further questions your honor” > “You honor the State requests a recess..” > > CIRCUS The defense will be deposing DD soon. After that, IMO, that will end her involvement with this trial. All you have to do is look at DD’s statement, if you can undertstand it, and Z’s factual dispatcher call. They simply don’t line up. From the time Trayvon allegedly came out of the “mail thing” to the time he ran would have taken a long time, according to DD’s version of events. No hope for DD. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9366 "2013-03-12T04:00:58Z")
> [@hmarvin](#): > > The defense will be deposing DD soon. After that, IMO, that will end her involvement with this trial. All you have to do is look at DD’s statement, if you can undertstand it, and Z’s factual dispatcher call. They simply don’t line up. From the time Trayvon allegedly came out of the “mail thing” to the time he ran would have taken a long time, according to DD’s version of events. No hope for DD. Actually I think she’s one of Zimmerman’s best witnesses. When she said she heard Martin say “get off” she said she heard it a “little bit”. So either Martin was struck dumb and was whispering it or she heard someone away from the headset. That would be Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9367 "2013-03-18T21:11:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Actually I think she’s one of Zimmerman’s best witnesses. When she said she heard Martin say “get off” she said she heard it a “little bit”. So either Martin was struck dumb and was whispering it or she heard someone away from the headset. That would be Zimmerman. The defense has refiled a motion to depose Crump. According to the filing, “It is now clear that the affidavit filed by Crump is not only incomplete but is inaccurate.” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9368 "2013-03-18T23:00:48Z")
So let’s say that the state of Florida acquits Zimmerman; does he get charged under federal law for a Civil Rights violation? ---
**Author:** ![Saraya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Saraya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saraya)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9369 "2013-03-19T18:04:40Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > So let’s say that the state of Florida acquits Zimmerman; does he get charged under federal law for a Civil Rights violation? In what context? Civil Rights first and foremost is liberty under the Constitution which entails freedom from persecution. Will they charge Spike Lee for violating the Civil Rights of anyone last named Zimmerman that he leaked addresses for? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9370 "2013-03-19T20:15:24Z")
> [@Saraya](#): > > In what context? > > Civil Rights first and foremost is liberty under the Constitution which entails freedom from persecution. > > Will they charge Spike Lee for violating the Civil Rights of anyone last named Zimmerman that he leaked addresses for? Can the federal government use civil rights/ hate crime to gain jurisdiction to charge Zimmerman with murder? i.e., a “pattern of injustice”? ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9371 "2013-03-19T21:05:42Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Can the federal government use civil rights/ hate crime to gain jurisdiction to charge Zimmerman with murder? i.e., a “pattern of injustice”? ``` There's no evidence yet released that shows part white, part black, part native american George Zimmerman was involved in a hate crime, or any crime . One thing is certain, lawyer Crump claimed he was just gathering his thoughts, to explain the gaps in his deposition of DD. In another, clearer recording, still with gaps, he appears to be coaching DD, which makes his statement appear to be false. The defense is trying to get Crump under oath, for obvious reasons. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9372 "2013-03-20T18:43:54Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Can the federal government use civil rights/ hate crime to gain jurisdiction to charge Zimmerman with murder? i.e., a “pattern of injustice”? No. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9373 "2013-03-25T02:39:08Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Can the federal government use civil rights/ hate crime to gain jurisdiction to charge Zimmerman with murder? i.e., a “pattern of injustice”? It was reported last July that the FBI had already investigated Zimmerman’s behavior and found no evidence of civil rights violations (ie. racism). Since the FBI has not filed any such charges against GZ, I assume the report is true. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9374 "2013-03-25T04:50:57Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > I have to tell you all, I was extremely disappointed that Trayvon’s “girlfriend” told a few whoppers (hooked up to the EKG machine in the hospital, I am 16 years old). I was absolutely stunned. I had thought for sure that anyone that Trayvon Martin associated with would be a fellow honor student and have the utmost respect for the truth. Trayvon must be spinning in his grave. Funny time stamps. Apparently your brain coughs up a retarded thought every three minutes. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9375 "2013-03-25T20:31:51Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > I have to tell you all, I was extremely disappointed that Trayvon’s “girlfriend” told a few whoppers (hooked up to the EKG machine in the hospital, I am 16 years old). I was absolutely stunned. I had thought for sure that anyone that Trayvon Martin associated with would be a fellow honor student and have the utmost respect for the truth. Trayvon must be spinning in his grave. I’m still waiting for DD to explain why it took Trayvon 40 minutes to walk half a mile, considering her statement has him coming straight home from the 7-11, and even running to the mail thing. Though why he’d have to run to the mail thing, if her was almost home wasn’t explained, or the fact that Tracy and Trayvon were actually registered at a motel. while allegedly staying at Brandi Green’s townhouse. Why waste money? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9376 "2013-03-26T01:01:49Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Funny time stamps. Apparently your brain coughs up a retarded thought every three minutes. Blank Slate, you should know by now to take all insults to the Pit. Do not post like this again in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9377 "2013-03-26T20:28:43Z")
A motion has been filed by Zimmerman’s lawyers against the state attorneys office for discovery violations. Apparently DeeDee has admitted lying because Sybrina Fulton was present at DD’s depo, and DD has admiited that she felt the need to ‘decieve’ Sybrina, though it doesn’t state exactly what DD said at the defense deposition. It may be more than just lying about her age. Stay tuned. ---
**Author:** ![Saraya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Saraya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saraya)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9378 "2013-03-27T15:07:30Z")
> [@hmarvin](#): > > A motion has been filed by Zimmerman’s lawyers against the state attorneys office for discovery violations. Apparently DeeDee has admitted lying because Sybrina Fulton was present at DD’s depo, and DD has admiited that she felt the need to ‘decieve’ Sybrina, though it doesn’t state exactly what DD said at the defense deposition. It may be more than just lying about her age. Stay tuned. As always, thanks for the updates Marvin. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9379 "2013-03-27T16:23:02Z")
DD felt she needed to deceive Trayvon’s Mother? Wasn’t DD’s testimony the reason the current prosecutor gave as new evidence that warranted a case? She couldn’t be bothered with a Grand Jury with this information and now the credibility is in question. It’s a shame the defense can’t demand a Grand Jury review. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9380 "2013-03-27T20:26:00Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Wasn’t DD’s testimony the reason the current prosecutor gave as new evidence that warranted a case? no ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9381 "2013-03-27T21:18:06Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > DD felt she needed to deceive Trayvon’s Mother? Wasn’t DD’s testimony the reason the current prosecutor gave as new evidence that warranted a case? She couldn’t be bothered with a Grand Jury with this information and now the credibility is in question. > > It’s a shame the defense can’t demand a Grand Jury review. According to the filing, the prosecution still hasn’t turned over some evidence. Since evidence that isn’t turned over in discovery can’t come to trial, this is certainly fishy. Hopefully there will be a legal ruling forcing the prosecutors to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9382 "2013-03-28T04:41:47Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > no She alluded to the review of public testimony made after the original investigation. Sounds like DD to me. And since they have yet to release all the evidence DD it doesn’t bode well for her case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=468) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=470)