# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 471
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9403 "2013-03-28T18:45:53Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Yes it does. Zimmerman discredits himself. Which means you may discount anything he says. Doesn’t mean you can say he’s certainly wrong, you need evidence for that. Which, if you have, you should present to the State of Florida at your earliest convenience, as they don’t have it. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > You mean when the guy he picked a fight with fought back. Yep, Zimmerman eventually fought back after Martin picked a fight with him. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Except when he chased him down and confronted him with a gun, of course. I don’t think Martin confronted Zimmerman with a gun, if you have evidence he did you should probably give it to the defence. You are aware that Martin is the one the confronted Zimmerman, right? > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I don’t know how to break this to you, but the defense has asserted many things that may not be true. For instance, the assertion that GZ shot Martin in self-defense. If you think that’s true just on their say so, I have a bridge to sell ya. It doesn’t matter if you or I believe it, or for that matter if the jury believe it. They are not asserting it because it matters if it’s believed. They are asserting it because doing so means the prosecution have to prove that it wasn’t self defence. Which, based on the evidence released so far, they can’t. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yes. I’m aware of your fantasy wherein innocent little Georgie was merely walking through his neighborhood, a simple concerned naif, when he was viciously attacked for no good reason by a thug with some Skittles. It’s not so much a fantasy as one story that’s consistent with the evidence. Certainly, Martin did attack him, and I’m not sure what, if anything, would count as _good reason_ for such an attack. > [@](#): > > That dog won’t hunt. Zimmie saw a black kid in his neighborhood, didn’t like that one bit, and got out of his truck with his gun to take care of some ball-swinging Neighborhood Watch bidness. Even though Zimmerman is known to have campaigned against the police in favour of black people he considered to have been mistreated? It’s your foolish theory that doesn’t fly. He called the police because he saw someone trespassing and acting suspiciously. He got out of his car to follow him, which was stupid, but when he was told it was stupid he went back to it. He had the gun for self defence, and events showed _that_ to be a far from foolish decision. > [@](#): > > Was he afraid for his life? Unquestionably. I think that pussy is afraid for his life every waking moment. I don’t believe you think about this case at all. I believe you _feel_, and mistake your feelings for something relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9404 "2013-03-28T19:09:53Z")
Trespassing and acting suspiciously my hairy balls. All Zimmie’s fine work in the black community doesn’t count for shit. He saw a kid – who was black – and pegged him for a criminal for the sin of walking down the sidewalk in his neighborhood. The squirmy little shit should have minded his own goddamned business and he’s be home jerking off to his Glock as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9405 "2013-03-28T19:11:26Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I don’t know how to break this to you, but the defense has asserted many things that may not be true. For instance, the assertion that GZ shot Martin in self-defense. If you think that’s true just on their say so, I have a bridge to sell ya. I don’t know how to break this to you but the Prosecution has asserted many things that may not be true. However, the defense has filed motions in court so unless you have proof they are lying about this request to a judge your opinion is without merit. And since the defense is asking for KNOWN information regarding DD’s interviews it’s not much of an argument on your part. [They just filed a motion in court against the prosecution to have them sanctioned for withholding evidence.](http://www.scribd.com/doc/132341125/Mark-O-Mara-files-Motion-for-Sanctions-Discovery) > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Riiight. And all that makes sense to you. Yes, it makes sense to have a jury trial to clear your name. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9406 "2013-03-28T19:30:09Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Trespassing and acting suspiciously my hairy balls. We must live in different neighborhoods. Anywhere I’ve lived it would be suspicious to stand next to a house in the rain close to dusk. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > All Zimmie’s fine work in the black community doesn’t count for shit. well maybe to the hairy balls crowd that doesn’t count for anything. Seems a bit racist to come to this conclusion. Martie, on the other hand was a model citizen who was taking a sabbatical from school so he could pursue drugs, graffiti, and jewelry collecting. What’s his fine work in the Hispanic community again? > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > He saw a kid – who was black – and pegged him for a criminal for the sin of walking down the sidewalk in his neighborhood. The squirmy little shit should have minded his own goddamned business and he’s be home jerking off to his Glock as we speak. Zimmerman did the right thing when confronted with suspicious behavior. He was looking out for his neighborhood. He called the police and was waiting for them to arrive. Martin did the exact opposite when confronted with suspicious behavior. Instead of going home and calling the police he confronted and attacked Zimmerman. If anyone is home jerking off it’s the guy who brings his hairy balls into a debate. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9407 "2013-03-28T19:36:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Trespassing and acting suspiciously my hairy balls. All Zimmie’s fine work in the black community doesn’t count for shit. He saw a kid – who was black – and pegged him for a criminal for the sin of walking down the sidewalk in his neighborhood. The squirmy little shit should have minded his own goddamned business and he’s be home jerking off to his Glock as we speak. If Martin had minded his own business, instead of turning back on himself to find Zimmerman, then attacking him, he’d be eating his Skittles in peace. Zimmerman did exactly what he should have done - called the police on the guy acting suspiciously, and got a brutal attack and a bullshit murder charge for it. So, tell me. If you saw someone doing what Martin supposedly did - walking along, looking in the windows of houses, and trespassing, would you not call the police? Even if there’d been several recent burglaries in your neighbourhood? And if someone punched you to the ground - unprovoked - and bashed your head repeatedly into the ground, you’d just happily take it, and not defend yourself? Look, Martin didn’t deserve to die. But drop this “innocent kid” bullshit. He was at best a vandal and petty thief, who escalated to serious assault. He would have been jailed for a while if he’d lived. Zimmerman’s no angel either. He has some history of violence, and has pretty much been proven to lie sometimes. That doesn’t mean he deserves to be beaten up, much less denied the right to defend himself. It’s also pretty clear he’s not racist, and as he wasn’t the aggressor that night, his views on that wouldn’t actually matter. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9408 "2013-03-28T19:54:36Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I don’t know how to break this to you but the Prosecution has asserted many things that may not be true. However, the defense has filed motions in court so unless you have proof they are lying about this request to a judge your opinion is without merit. Lol. I asked you to explain why you think the prosecution has withheld evidence and you come at me with _this_? Lemme get this straight: you think that just because the defense has filed a motion, that means their complaint has merit. Newsflash: no it doesn’t. A judge has to review their complaint and determine if there is any basis to it. Has Judge Nelson determined that the prosecution has done anything the defense has accused it of? I mean, like anything at all? To date, all I see is two lawyers [wasting](http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/28/george_zimmerman_jud.html)[money](http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/MIA-George-Zimmerman-Seeks-Delay-in-Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-Trial-189798751.html) and [time](http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fnation%2F2012%2F12%2F11%2Fzimmerman-trayvon-martin-gps%2F1760695%2F&ei=xpdUUb6NLsb-0gGOi4GICQ&usg=AFQjCNE0f1hgTC4mvGF8flzqOpiAWoLqug&sig2=-3zaFCjHqJjEhKmpm92GNw) filing motions that keep getting denied. > [@](#): > > They just filed a motion in court against the prosecution to have them sanctioned for withholding evidence. Big effing deal. It will probably be denied like all their other motions. > [@](#): > > Yes, it makes sense to have a jury trial to clear your name. If you’re innocent and your case is strong–two things that you insist Zimmerman has going for him–an immunity hearing is a gift. That’s the main perk of SYG! To get immunity from prosecution! So it’s quite hilarious that all of the sudden, you guys shrug this off as procedural meaninglessness. Everybody else sees the writing on the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9409 "2013-03-28T20:01:37Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] I don’t know how to break this to you, but the defense has asserted many things that may not be true. [/quote] Well, I do know how to break this to you - the prosecution must prove everything that they assert, beyond a reasonable doubt. > [@](#): > > For instance, the assertion that GZ shot Martin in self-defense. If you think that’s true just on their say so, I have a bridge to sell ya. No one that I am aware of in this thread believes that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense simply on Zimmerman’s say-so. They, or at least I, believe it based on the evidence available to date. And, for the umpteenth time, the prosecution has to prove that Zimmerman did **not** act in self-defense. They have to present evidence that proves Zimmerman did not act in self-defense. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9410 "2013-03-28T20:06:31Z")
This shit about Treyvon doubling back to attack Zimmerman for no reason is further masturbatory bullshit for all these brave young Neighborhood Watch heroes-in-their-own-minds. And by the way, I’ve stood next to many houses in the rain at dusk and I’ve never been shot once. More idiocy from the Gun Owners Can Do No Wrong crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9411 "2013-03-28T20:13:04Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And by the way, I’ve stood next to many houses in the rain at dusk and I’ve never been shot once. You were doing it wrong. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9412 "2013-03-28T20:22:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > This shit about Treyvon doubling back to attack Zimmerman for no reason is further masturbatory bullshit for all these brave young Neighborhood Watch heroes-in-their-own-minds. Whether or not he had a reason for doubling back isn’t particularly relevant, what is relevant is that he went out of his way to find and attack Zimmerman. ETA Please explain clearly what you actually think Zimmerman did wrong to cause Martin to punch him in the face and repeatedly bash his head on the ground, and answer my questions from my last post. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9413 "2013-03-28T20:25:58Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > This shit about Treyvon doubling back to attack Zimmerman for no reason is further masturbatory bullshit for all these brave young Neighborhood Watch heroes-in-their-own-minds. > > And by the way, I’ve stood next to many houses in the rain at dusk and I’ve never been shot once. More idiocy from the Gun Owners Can Do No Wrong crowd. Apparently GPS-A is accurate to within ten feet, but the prosecution won’t release the GPS records, which means they’re not coming to trial. Some people find this suspicious, since GPS records have been used to convict. If Trayvon didn’t double back, it could concievably be provable. If Zimmerman’s version of events is wrong, it could also concievably be provable. The video pointed outside the 7-11’s parking lot was a blank tape sent to the defense. The Kohl’s tape from the camera pointed at the north entry to the townhouse development around the time of the incident was also blank, though apparently at no other time. There appear to be serious irregularities in this case which need to be addressed. And we still don’t have DD’s statement, whether more lies have been uncovered, or her matching phone records, to verify whether she actually talked to Trayvon when she did. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9414 "2013-03-28T20:26:23Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Lol. I asked you to explain why you think the prosecution has withheld evidence and you come at me with _this_? you’re the one accusing the defense of lying about this. It’s up to you to prove this. I’ve submitted a cite indicating they filed a motion in court. You’ve submitted your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9415 "2013-03-28T20:26:46Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Whether or not he had a reason for doubling back isn’t particularly relevant, what is relevant is that he went out of his way to find and attack Zimmerman. Bullshit. That’s pure speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9416 "2013-03-28T20:34:40Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Bullshit. That’s pure speculation. Not even slightly. Both the fact that he doubled back and the fact that he punched Zimmerman, and continued to attack him are supported by both witness and circumstantial evidence. That you _dislike_ this doesn’t make it untrue. If you wish to show it to be false, explain why Martin was where he was, and not at home, why, if he felt threatened even when out of sight of Zimmerman, he didn’t call the police, and how Zimmerman sustained the injuries that people saw Martin inflicting. Oh, and answer my other questions, if in fact you are debating in good faith and not just spewing drivel that you can’t even slightly substantiate. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9417 "2013-03-28T20:35:02Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > you’re the one accusing the defense of lying about this. It’s up to you to prove this. I said no such thing. You’ve stated matter-of-factly the prosecution has withheld evidence. When asked why you believe this, your answer essentially equates to “Because the defense said so and they wouldn’t lie”. Yes, this is what came out of your brain. Own it like a man. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9418 "2013-03-28T20:36:51Z")
Martin was walking back from a store. That’s why he was where he was. You got a problem with kids walking back from stores or something? And looking in windows? Trespassing? He wasn’t trespassing anywhere; he had full rights to be where he was. I guess it’s just tough rocks for him that he didn’t keep his eyes focused straight ahead so our hero wouldn’t generate any suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9419 "2013-03-28T20:52:50Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Martin was walking back from a store. That’s why he was where he was. You got a problem with kids walking back from stores or something? And looking in windows? Trespassing? He wasn’t trespassing anywhere; he had full rights to be where he was. I guess it’s just tough rocks for him that he didn’t keep his eyes focused straight ahead so our hero wouldn’t generate any suspicions. Really? So, when he’d already passed Zimmerman, going towards his home, and was out of sight, he somehow, whilst still walking home, and with Zimmerman walking away from him, happened to unintentionally meet him again? And you say _my_ posts are bullshit? Of course, he had every right to do that,although not to walk on the private property he did, at least according to Deedee, but either way he had neither right nor reason to attack Zimmerman. Unless you have access to evidence that’s not been released to the public. Have you? I’ll ask again. What did Zimmerman do wrong, based on the evidence available? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9420 "2013-03-28T20:53:41Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > This shit about Treyvon doubling back to attack Zimmerman for no reason is further masturbatory bullshit for all these brave young Neighborhood Watch heroes-in-their-own-minds. We know from the dispatch phone call and witnesses that Martin ran by their apartment followed by Zimmerman and they both lost sight of each other according to Zimmerman and DD’s testimony. Zimmerman is found at the same location he was at when talking to the dispatchers. Where is Martin? He HAS to come form somewhere not in view. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And by the way, I’ve stood next to many houses in the rain at dusk and I’ve never been shot once. More idiocy from the Gun Owners Can Do No Wrong crowd. You have a habit of trespassing onto people’s property and stand next to their house at dusk in the rain? Given that you dragged your balls and masturbation into this thread that doesn’t paint a pretty picture. But putting that aside, Martin wasn’t shot because he was standing next to a house in the rain at dusk. He had the police called on him because he was standing next to a house in the rain at dusk. This was done by someone in a neighborhood watch. This is a group that the neighbors put together because of a rash of burglaries. Now Martin may not have been planning to steal from this house. We’ll never know even though he has a documented history of stealing. But it’s a rational act to view his activity as suspicious and the proper thing to do was call the police. This is what Zimmerman did. The proper thing for Martin to do if he was suspicious of Zimmerman was call the police. He chose differently. He had every opportunity to do this because we know he had a working cellphone in his position and the time and ability to evade Zimmerman. We know he was the one who started the verbal confrontation. We know Martin was the one pummeling Zimmerman. We know there are no indications that Zimmerman ever laid a finger on Martin prior to the beating. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9421 "2013-03-28T21:06:52Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Martin was walking back from a store. That’s why he was where he was. You got a problem with kids walking back from stores or something? no. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > And looking in windows? Trespassing? yes, I have a problem with kids trespassing and looking into windows. The same goes for adults, Martians, and politicians. I called the police because I saw a guy walking down the street at night looking into the windows of cars. They arrived too late but he went on to steal from cars he could get into quickly before they arrived. I did the rational thing and called the police and kept the guy in sight. If he saw me and attacked me I would have defended myself. I called the police because his initial behavior was suspicious. My neighbors once called the police because someone was passed out on my walkway. They came and scooped him up. This is what neighbors do for each other. I’ve stopped 3 burglaries in progress because of this. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > He wasn’t trespassing anywhere; he had full rights to be where he was. no, he doesn’t have the right to trespass. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I guess it’s just tough rocks for him that he didn’t keep his eyes focused straight ahead so our hero wouldn’t generate any suspicions. it’s tough rocks that he chose to attack Zimmerman. You seem to forget this little detail. He was not shot because of his suspicious behavior. Zimmerman had every right to call the police. It’s tough rocks if you brutally attack someone and they defend themselves to your detriment. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/9422 "2013-03-28T21:34:08Z")
Martin wasn’t trespassing anywhere. I have no clue where you people are getting that little piece of bullshit. If your entire argument is predicated on Martin trespassing, you fail. There is a walkway between the back of the houses for local foot traffic – which is where Martin was and what Martin was doing when he was confront by Barney Fife. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=470) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=472)