# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1121 "2012-04-28T18:53:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Agreed. But if he does, I suspect it won’t be a sanction because he determined Zimmerman lied. Instead it will be a simple recognition that the purpose of bail is to ensure an appearance, and losing $150K is a huge deal to a family that doesn’t have it… but maybe not as big a deal to the family that has a sudden $200K windfall. > > This is of course why O’Mara needs to have that money in trust. It can be used for defense expenses but not one-way tickets to Brazil. Except that having $150,000 in the bank is nothing if you have a lawyer to pay and a murder trial to face. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1122 "2012-04-28T21:24:31Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Except that having $150,000 in the bank is nothing if you have a lawyer to pay and a murder trial to face. True. Which is why Brazil starts looking good. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1123 "2012-04-29T14:16:25Z")
[http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-28/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-trayvon-20120428\_1\_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-evidence-police-headquarters](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-28/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-trayvon-20120428_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-evidence-police-headquarters) Not much here that we haven’t discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1124 "2012-04-29T14:42:00Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Actually, I was wondering, do some EMTs use cyanoacrylate to glue simple wounds? I don’t know if that’s in their bag of tricks or not. I can’t recall seeing it in the EMT reports I’ve read but those are mostly Texas. My neighbor fell down, and hit his head, causing severe bleeding. The EMT sprayed liquid from a bottle which almost immediately stopped the bleeding, though there was still a little oozing. Don’t know what it was, but it worked. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1125 "2012-04-29T15:07:49Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Well, that’s where everyone parts ways in these threads. I believe Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and it backfired on him. I find that to be logical. Apparently, you believe that Zimmerman asked him to account for his presence and Martin went beserk and tried to beat him to death. For no real reason. I find that less likely. And so it goes… The body was found near Zimmerman’s SUV. The claim was that Martin took off running, and you can hear the vehicle door opening, from the 911 call, the open door warning buzzer go off, and the vehicle door slammed shut (21 seconds from the time he parked the vehicle to the time he closed the door to chase after Martin. No wonder he lost sight of him). Zimmerman claimed he was walking back to his vehicle when Martin attacked him. Since Zimmerman can be heard running on the 911 call, with the wind whistling past his cellphone, then the heavy breathing and wind whistling stopped, after the dispatcher suggested he not follow, while Zimmerman talked to the dispatcher for 94 seconds, apparently just standing in one place, you wonder why Martin was still there. If Martin had that much time to get away, and he could likely have outrun Zimmerman without a head start, why confront Zimmerman? He could easily have gone home. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1126 "2012-04-29T15:28:17Z")
You lost me at “the body was found near Zimmerman’s SUV”. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1127 "2012-04-29T15:40:54Z")
You lost me also. Martin’s body was found around 250 feet from Zimmerman’s truck. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1128 "2012-04-29T15:48:10Z")
Um, yeah, Martin’s body was found in the grass by the sidewalk behind the houses, well away from the street and Zimmerman’s SUV. Where did you get that from? ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1129 "2012-04-29T15:51:37Z")
[http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Lawyer-Angela-Corey-missed-deadline-to-release-evidence/-/1637132/12190668/-/g2ilu2/-/index.html](http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Lawyer-Angela-Corey-missed-deadline-to-release-evidence/-/1637132/12190668/-/g2ilu2/-/index.html) I don’t know what the deadline should be, but the only thing mentioned as a problem is identifying the witnesses in this case. Why not release everything else? I don’t have a problem with redacting the witness names and addresses from the statements. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1130 "2012-04-29T16:10:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > True. > > Which is why Brazil starts looking good. How would that be possible with the electronic GPS monitoring that the cops are doing? I’ll bet Zimmerman couldn’t get within 2 miles of an airport without the police chasing him down. It seems to make bail completely unnecessary these days. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1131 "2012-04-29T18:13:47Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > How would that be possible with the electronic GPS monitoring that the cops are doing? I’ll bet Zimmerman couldn’t get within 2 miles of an airport without the police chasing him down. It seems to make bail completely unnecessary these days. I don’t think tracking bracelets work the way you think they do. It uses to much electricity to continuously monitor their location. They could set an exclusion zone around the airports, but that means he would cut off the bracelet before he went to the airport. Of course, he is going to get too far without a passport. [http://www.gpsworld.com/government/news/zimmerman-tracked-gps-while-out-bond-12900](http://www.gpsworld.com/government/news/zimmerman-tracked-gps-while-out-bond-12900) ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1132 "2012-04-29T18:19:07Z")
I accidentally tripped over the video of the incident that Zimmerman was circulating flyers about. [http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/cops-son-turns-shocking-videos-release/story?id=12529580#.T52CsdVSQ04](http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/cops-son-turns-shocking-videos-release/story?id=12529580#.T52CsdVSQ04) ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1133 "2012-04-29T18:50:41Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > I don’t think tracking bracelets work the way you think they do. It uses to much electricity to continuously monitor their location. They could set an exclusion zone around the airports, but that means he would cut off the bracelet before he went to the airport. Of course, he is going to get too far without a passport. > > [http://www.gpsworld.com/government/news/zimmerman-tracked-gps-while-out-bond-12900](http://www.gpsworld.com/government/news/zimmerman-tracked-gps-while-out-bond-12900) You are right that I don’t know the technology, but hell, I can go online and see where my wife (or at least her cellphone is) at all times through the GPS technology (not that I spy on her). I was also under the belief that any attempt to mess with or otherwise remove the bracelet would trip the “panic button”. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1134 "2012-04-29T19:31:56Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > I accidentally tripped over the video of the incident that Zimmerman was circulating flyers about. Did anyone ever corroborate Zimmerman Sr.'s assertion that his son did this? As near as I can make out, this was a very poorly-considered propaganda effort intended to counter the idea that Zimmerman is racist, which actually hurts more than helps. He spent countless hours and his own resources to print and distribute flyers on this subject, and his efforts left no traces, and no recollections with anyone involved? G’wan, pull the other one. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1135 "2012-04-29T19:47:09Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > You lost me at “the body was found near Zimmerman’s SUV”. > **[The Logistics Of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman's Encounter - The Last...](https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2012/04/07/the-logistics-of-trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmermans-encounter/)** > > Obviously there is considerable differing opinion within the construct of the Martin V Zimmerman encounter.   However, in an effort to better understand the logistics involved here are some visual aids.  It appears that many... ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1136 "2012-04-29T19:51:47Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > [The Logistics Of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman's Encounter - The Last Refuge](http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/07/the-logistics-of-trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmermans-encounter/) And what is it you think this demonstrates? It confirms what everyone already knows but you apparently don’t: the body was found between the two rows of twonhomes, location “f”- that is not near Zimmerman’s truck. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1137 "2012-04-29T20:03:20Z")
Using the locations on the maps you linked to, the distance between the truck and the body is 280 feet. Just FTR. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1138 "2012-04-29T20:07:00Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > [The Logistics Of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman's Encounter - The Last Refuge](http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/07/the-logistics-of-trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmermans-encounter/) A George Zimmerman fansite might not be the greatest reference. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1139 "2012-04-29T21:36:11Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > You are right that I don’t know the technology, but hell, I can go online and see where my wife (or at least her cellphone is) at all times through the GPS technology (not that I spy on her). I was also under the belief that any attempt to mess with or otherwise remove the bracelet would trip the “panic button”. Of course it will, but you have to detach the bracelet if you are going to flee anyway. You can’t even get though airport security with the bracelet. The best place would be near a freeway intersection and smash the bracelet so it can’t broadcast a warning. They don’t broadcast their position continuously. The batteries are supposed to last several days and the broadcast is what uses power. I would find someplace where I can’t get get a cell phone signal for starters. Maybe just a metal shed. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1140 "2012-04-29T21:44:54Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > The best place would be near a freeway intersection and smash the bracelet so it can’t broadcast a warning. Better yet, secrete it on a vehicle heading away from the airport, like a long distance semi. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=58)