# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1201 "2012-05-05T21:23:11Z")
By the way, all T-Mobile bills are made out in Pacific Daylight or Pacific Standard Time, no EDT OR EST. Easy to check on the internet. If you’re 3 time zones east, you make a call at noon, the bill would show 9 0’clock ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1202 "2012-05-05T21:26:22Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > He apparently noticed some serious problems with the Martin attorney Crumb’s claims regarding the person allegedly on the other end of the call that night (if there was one). That is not evident from the image you linked to. Please link to a page that addresses the alleged ‘serious problems’. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1203 "2012-05-05T21:38:17Z")
> **[The Last Refuge](https://theconservativetreehouse.com/)** > > Rag Tag Bunch of Conservative Misfits - Contact Info: TheLastRefuge@reagan.com ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1204 "2012-05-05T21:46:46Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > His email is [TheLastRefuge@Reagan.com](mailto:TheLastRefuge@Reagan.com) He apparently noticed some serious problems with the Martin attorney Crumb’s claims regarding the person allegedly on the other end of the call that night (if there was one). If this person is accurate, the defense attorney would likely have also noticed any problems. If the cellphone records have been around quite a while, and the times are Pacific time, has the State Prosecutor even checked the cellphone records? Here is the full PDF of Trayvon Martin’s cell phone records: [http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf](http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf) The “girlfriend” call is shown at 7:12pm for 4 minutes. But, as the person in the link above noted, the times are supposed to be Pacific, not Eastern time. So the phone call was at 10:12pm Eastern, if one is to believe the “The date and time for all calls corresponds to Pacific Time” note from that log. Although who could have answered the phone and talked for 4 minutes on it at that time, I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1205 "2012-05-05T22:51:06Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > [http://theconservativetreehouse.com/](http://theconservativetreehouse.com/) I’m sure it’s there somewhere… ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1206 "2012-05-05T22:59:56Z")
I wouldn’t blame a conservative for not following a link to thr DailyKos or some anonymous left-wing blog. Some “treehouse” or fucktard Glenn Beck’s site make for pretty shitty sources. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1207 "2012-05-05T23:43:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m sure it’s there somewhere… > **[Update #10 (Part 2) - The Trayvon Martin Shooting "DeeDee" Reveals The False...](https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2012/04/21/update-10-part-2-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-deedee-reveals-the-false-truths/)** > > \<— Continued from Update #10 (Part 1) To paraphrase Winston Churchill: Benjamin Crump created a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is TRUTH. All We Need To Do Is Ask DeeDee Imagine if you will, a... ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1208 "2012-05-05T23:47:28Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The “girlfriend” call is shown at 7:12pm for 4 minutes. But, as the person in the link above noted, the times are supposed to be Pacific, not Eastern time. So the phone call was at 10:12pm Eastern, if one is to believe the “The date and time for all calls corresponds to Pacific Time” note from that log. It seems that this apparent inconsistency is something that [has been observed on T-mobile’s website:](http://support.t-mobile.com/message/117416) > [@](#): > > There seems to be a bug in the MyTmobile website. When I log in and look at calls I notice the calls reflect calls made in EDT, while Data information seems to be based on PDT. At the bottom of both pages are statements that the dates/times reflected are in Pacific time. As a reference for the call I used a call from my wife and it reflected EDT (which is where I am), however when I purposely did a large data download it was reflected in Pacific time. Anyone else notice this behavior when they log into their My Tmobile site? > > Correct Answer by smplyunprdctble on Mar 20, 2012 7:52 AM > > It’s been like that for a while, Josh. > > I was told by another T-Mobile person it’s because calls are translated to local time zone of where they’re made because of billing purposes, but data & texts don’t have different prices for peak and off-peak. It was like that for everyone. A cell carrier having a confusing account management is a lot easier to fathom than something as unthinkable as a teenager’s cell phone usage history having an unexplained three hour gap before his death. > [@Poochey](#): > > [http://theconservativetreehouse.com/](http://theconservativetreehouse.com/)…-false-truths/ There is not enough crack in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1209 "2012-05-06T00:07:15Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > [Update #10 (Part 2) - The Trayvon Martin Shooting "DeeDee" Reveals The False "Truths"... - The Last Refuge](http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/21/update-10-part-2-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-deedee-reveals-the-false-truths/) I disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1210 "2012-05-06T00:37:56Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > There is not enough crack in the world. in fairness, this is an anomaly that needs to be addressed. And, in fairness, it seems it has. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1211 "2012-05-06T01:48:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > in fairness, this is an anomaly that needs to be addressed. > > And, in fairness, it seems it has. You know, I didn’t even find the part in the linked article that brought up the time zone thing. I just read enough to see that the author’s ability to use reason and logic to arrive at conclusions was not present. “Trayvon’s friend Mario uses ‘gang signs’ in his twitter profile, therefore Trayvon is a gang-banger.” \ \*\*Mario’s \*\*‘gang sign’ is “_M_.” \ Seriously, if you look at the Twitter feed of the managing broker of the rental department of the company I work for, it’s her making an “A” handsign with a bad-ass look. She isn’t yet thirty, and our company starts with an “A.” How insulated from popular culture do you have to be to find things like this that someone’s _friends_ do damning? Oh, right, you have to be so out of touch with reality that you’re providing content for ultra-conservative websites. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1212 "2012-05-06T02:51:01Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > You know, I didn’t even find the part in the linked article that brought up the time zone thing. The link Terr used actually has that part. [http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf](http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/call+log.pdf) You can see that the bill does indeed say PDT ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1213 "2012-05-08T18:39:59Z")
O’Mara waived a speedy trial. I guess that means no trial this year. [http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html](http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html) Go to 05-08-12. Is it common for murder trials to actually take place within 180 days? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1214 "2012-05-08T19:45:51Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > O’Mara waived a speedy trial. I guess that means no trial this year. > > [http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html](http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html) > > Go to 05-08-12. > > Is it common for murder trials to actually take place within 180 days? Extremely uncommon. In general, delay favors the defense. Of course that doesn’t stop the defense from piously raising a speedy trial claim if they can get away with it! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1215 "2012-05-12T19:02:09Z")
I guess we haven’t reached the bottom yet. [Seller Offers Gun Range Targets Meant to Resemble Trayvon Martin](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/11/trayvon-martin-gun-targets_n_1510080.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl4%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D160284) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1216 "2012-05-12T20:27:12Z")
Those things sold out in two days. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1217 "2012-05-12T21:39:38Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Those things sold out in two days. Lovely. So many people have jumped on this band wagon to further their own agendas. In this way it mirrors the Duke case (where several posters who are posting on this issue lost their heads). I’m glad that this is finally going to be properly examined in court. I still can’t decide what happened but a young man is dead and too many wankers (like the tools selling shooting range targets) are making money and/or notoriety off of his death. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1218 "2012-05-12T23:35:17Z")
Yeah, it’s exactly like the Duke case. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1219 "2012-05-13T16:37:26Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Yeah, it’s exactly like the Duke case. :rolleyes: Glad you read my post carefully. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/1220 "2012-05-13T18:36:30Z")
I just re-read your post and it can be read two ways. My apologies if I mis-interpreted, I must be getting cynical. The Duke case has already come up in these threads, not because of relevance but as rehaah of past disagrreements between posters. I hope we don’t go down that road again. I hope the guy who sold the Trayvon targets uses the cash to buy a defective firearm that explodes in his face. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=62)