# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/121 "2012-04-20T15:03:40Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > Serino makes no claims in this article. > I am disappointed. I posted upfront that this “claim” could be untrue or exaggeration, so regardless if Serino did or didn’t officially make any claims, my point was that we shouldn’t treat the “overruled” thing as fact. (Please lets not kill this thread with pedantic nitpicks. Please.) > [@](#): > > From what Corey has said, the case was transferred before Sanford was totally done with it. Idk exactly what was left for Sanford to do. Nor do I know when it was transferred. But Corey’s comments indicated that her team took over toward the end, but before it was wrapped up. (w/e that may mean) My question still stands though. Rather than throwing the PD under the bus by implying that the cops could have arrested Zimmerman on day 1 if they’d wanted to, the SA’s office could have just said there wasn’t enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman at the point that they were first consulted about the shooting. The context in which the statement was made concerned the night of the shooting and rumors that Wolfinger was initimately involved in how the case was treated early on. > [@](#): > > It may be because the PD statements are in re why Zimmerman wasn’t arrested in February and the SA statements are about the results of things that were ongoing as March rolled around. So why did the SA talk about the police’s actions? Again, look at the context in which the statement was made. > [@](#): > > That would explain the difference. And it doesn’t sound outlandish that they may have found out new things as the investigation progressed. It doesn’t sound outlandish to me either. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/122 "2012-04-20T15:10:37Z")
Zimmerman got bond: $150K and electronic monitoring. State had asked for no bond or $1 million. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/123 "2012-04-20T15:11:23Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I posted upfront that this “claim” could be untrue or exaggeration, so regardless if Serino did or didn’t officially make any claims, my point was that we shouldn’t treat the “overruled” thing as fact. (Please lets not kill this thread with pedantic nitpicks. Please.) Not trying tonitpick. You got me all excited thinking that there was some statement by Serino. Some folks in other places are trying to make the case that the affidavit doesn’t exist. You said something about Serino making a claim. I got excited by the prospect. Now I am disappointed. That’s about all there is to it afaict. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/124 "2012-04-20T15:12:46Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > Not trying tonitpick. You got me all excited thinking that there was some statement by Serino. Okay, thanks for clarifying. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/125 "2012-04-20T15:18:37Z")
So, um, no reaction to the head injury photo from team trayvon? After pages and pages about how he didn’t look injured in the police video? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/126 "2012-04-20T15:23:03Z")
Yeah, that’s quite a life threatening gusher he’s got trickling down the nape of his neck. Good thing he blew a hole into Martin’s chest before he could put another nick on him. Happy? ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/127 "2012-04-20T15:27:52Z")
Silly legal hijack: Per Jason Daubert, his last name is pronounced Daw-bert. All of those fancy pants judges and lawyers trying to make it sound French can suck it! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/128 "2012-04-20T15:33:08Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So, um, no reaction to the head injury photo from team trayvon? After pages and pages about how he didn’t look injured in the police video? I see a few reactions to it in this thread. So yes, there are reactions. Honestly it doesn’t look like all that much blood for a head wound. I’d think that repeated bashing against concrete would produce much worse, but I’m not a medical expert so someone may correct me. On another note, you refer to “Team Trayvon”. Do you then consider yourself to be on “Team Zimmerman”? Personally I think sports analogies are disgusting in this context. Nobody here is on a team regarding this. This is serious stuff, not sports. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/129 "2012-04-20T15:34:19Z")
I found the examination of Dale Gilbreath quite interesting. I’m bummed that my recording didn’t work. I think O’Mara did a good job. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/130 "2012-04-20T15:36:12Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Silly legal hijack: > > Per Jason Daubert, his last name is pronounced Daw-bert. All of those fancy pants judges and lawyers trying to make it sound French can suck it! Wow. I never knew that. OK, here’s one: pronounce the second word in _nolo contendere_. Is it con-TEN-dare-ee or con-ten-DARE-ee? ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/131 "2012-04-20T15:44:49Z")
First one I think, of course I still vor dire (pronounced like the latter half of Dire Straits) my panel. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/132 "2012-04-20T15:47:45Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So, um, no reaction to the head injury photo from team trayvon? After pages and pages about how he didn’t look injured in the police video? What are we supposed to make of a photo taken by some random person? Shouldn’t be making judgements only on official state evidence? That pic, if taken at face value, only heightens the mystery surrounding the absence of bandages on this guy’s head on that surveillance video. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/133 "2012-04-20T15:54:21Z")
Actually, I was wondering, do some EMTs use cyanoacrylate to glue simple wounds? I don’t know if that’s in their bag of tricks or not. I can’t recall seeing it in the EMT reports I’ve read but those are mostly Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/134 "2012-04-20T15:56:45Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > First one I think, of course I still vor dire (pronounced like the latter half of Dire Straits) my panel. I learned it as con-ten-DARE-ee, but I’ve heard both, and had to stop myself from correcting the speaker the first time I heard it the other way. (The speaker was a judge, so correcting him… not so smart). And you’re right: vo-AR DEER is another one that has multiple options! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/135 "2012-04-20T16:02:05Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > What are we supposed to make of a photo taken by some random person? Shouldn’t be making judgements only on official state evidence? > > That pic, if taken at face value, only heightens the mystery surrounding the absence of bandages on this guy’s head on that surveillance video. Yes. But more than that, you should be consistent, and not switch to “official evidence” standards only when confronted with evidence not to your liking. I haven’t mentioned that photo; I have no idea what its provenance is, when it was taken, or whose head is pictured. But as evidence, it’s at least as strong as other thing you have argued strongly in favor of. I am waiting for the EMT report, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/136 "2012-04-20T16:06:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Zimmerman got bond: $150K and electronic monitoring. State had asked for no bond or $1 million. The other interesting factoid out of this hearing is that while apologizing to Martin’s parents, Zimmerman said he didn’t know Martin was not armed, according to[this Washington Post story](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/safety-location-at-issue-if-zimmerman-is-released-on-bond/2012/04/19/gIQAJNXZUT_story.html?wpisrc=al_national). I recall him saying something on the 911 call about Martin reaching for something on his belt or at his waist, which I suppose is a suggestion he was concerned about the possibility of a gun. But none of his proxies that have given versions of his stories have said anything about him believing Martin was armed. Almost the opposite. There was at least one claim that Martin was going for Zimmerman’s gun, and why would he do that if he had one. Why would he even engage in an assault on Zimmerman if he was armed (assuming he did so)? Stranger and stranger… ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/137 "2012-04-20T16:11:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > The other interesting factoid out of this hearing is that while apologizing to Martin’s parents, Zimmerman said he didn’t know Martin was not armed, according to[this Washington Post story](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/safety-location-at-issue-if-zimmerman-is-released-on-bond/2012/04/19/gIQAJNXZUT_story.html?wpisrc=al_national). I recall him saying something on the 911 call about Martin reaching for something on his belt or at his waist, which I suppose is a suggestion he was concerned about the possibility of a gun. But none of his proxies that have given versions of his stories have said anything about him believing Martin was armed. Almost the opposite. There was at least one claim that Martin was going for Zimmerman’s gun, and why would he do that if he had one. Why would he even engage in an assault on Zimmerman if he was armed (assuming he did so)? > > Stranger and stranger… What I find strange is that Zimmerman is testifying at the hearing and talking to everybody. This guy desperately needs a good lawyer who will put a muzzle on him. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/138 "2012-04-20T16:12:15Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Actually, I was wondering, do some EMTs use cyanoacrylate to glue simple wounds? I don’t know if that’s in their bag of tricks or not. I can’t recall seeing it in the EMT reports I’ve read but those are mostly Texas. Even if they did use glue (which is doubtful if we take Zimmerman’s former [lawyer](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57406183/video-shows-zimmerman-without-obvious-injuries/)at his word when he said he’d needed stitches but didn’t get them because it too was late or something), [even closed wounds should be dressed to promote healing.](http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice-clinical-research/procedures-for-cleansing-closing-and-covering-acute-wounds/205033.article) ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/139 "2012-04-20T16:16:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. > > But more than that, you should be consistent, and not switch to “official evidence” standards only when confronted with evidence not to your liking. > > I haven’t mentioned that photo; I have no idea what its provenance is, when it was taken, or whose head is pictured. > > But as evidence, it’s at least as strong as other thing you have argued strongly in favor of. > > I am waiting for the EMT report, myself. Exactly. It’s rather telling when people will believe anything that supports Team Trayvon, demand official evidence foritems that don’t support Team Trayvon, and think that such items only really further support Team Trayvon if you just look at them right. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/140 "2012-04-20T16:16:12Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Actually, I was wondering, do some EMTs use cyanoacrylate to glue simple wounds? I don’t know if that’s in their bag of tricks or not. I can’t recall seeing it in the EMT reports I’ve read but those are mostly Texas. I use New Skin myself. It is very handy for places a bandaid won’t work. [http://www.amazon.com/New-Skin-Liquid-Bandage/dp/B0017JOF86](http://www.amazon.com/New-Skin-Liquid-Bandage/dp/B0017JOF86) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=8)