# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 11416
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/11416 "2013-06-29T17:01:14Z")
> [@Mgalindo13](#): > > You are correct. I should have added “or serious bodily injury”. My apologies. > > That’s my point, if you fear death, or serious injury, from an individual you generally don’t decide to confront them. Martin wasn’t using deadly force. He had a right to defend himself without the intensity of fear necessary for deadly force. > [@](#): > > I see you chose to completely ignore the the final statement of my post. Is it impossible for you to acknowledge that “probably” is not good enough to convict someone? Your own words, you are not certain. I am not arguing that the state has made the case, I’ve _never_ argued that. I’ve argued the facts themselves and what truth they tell. I’ve already said several times I fully expect an acquittal, but I also fully believe that Zimmerman committed second degree murder and that was before the prosecutor brought that charge. From what I’ve seen and read thus far, I think the state fucked up across the board here, but it’s much too late now to fix. One can only hope that this experience, even with an acquittal, will have been sufficiently unpleasant to deter Mr. Zimmerman from playing cops n’ robbers in the future. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125)._