# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 4826
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/4826 "2012-08-09T18:13:10Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > Susan Simpson @ [viewfromll2.com](http://viewfromll2.com). > [@](#): > > Susan Simpson > on July 17, 2012 at 10:34 am said: > Ricky, the legal side of the case is only one aspect of the discussion. I have no disagreement with you on the fact that this will not be an easy case to prosecute — it is entirely possible that Zimmerman will be acquitted." > **[Zimmerman Open Thread – 7/16/12](https://viewfromll2.com/2012/07/16/zimmerman-open-thread/)** > > This post is an open thread for all discussion on the Zimmerman case. Have at it. -Susan > [@](#): > > Kimmy Gibbler has argued on these boards that Zimmerman had not established justification for use of deadly force but that was way back when. > [@Bricker, You're a Jackass Extraordinaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-youre-a-jackass-extraordinaire/621734/167): > > The prosecution will need to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and do not have much evidence to rebut Zimmerman’s allegation of self-defense. Even if the jury rejects Z’s testimony as self-serving, you can’t sustain a conviction where a self-serving, but prima facie, affirmative defense goes unrebutted. That is far too short of BRD. _Thompson v. State_, 552 So. 2d 264 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1989). > [@](#): > > If there are any lawyers on [justicequest.com](http://justicequest.com), they definitely believe the state has a strong case. Haven’t lurked long enough to see if there are. That’s 3 strikes by my count… > [@](#): > > But it was emeraldia who claimed a consensus first. Just sayin. Bricker asked about lawyers who disagreed with him. ywtf provided the leatherman cite. And emeraldia claimed a consensus that lawyers thought the case was weak in his post calling leatherman a crackpot. 4 lawyers is not a consensus. 4 keen legal minds who, after a prudent, unemotional analysis, articulated that the case against Zimmerman is not strong vs. a delirious old codger… is consensus. And you just helped add 2 more to the former. So now it’s 6. And I’ll add another 5: Arnold S. Trebach [http://spectator.org/blog/2012/07/14/the-zimmerman-judge-must-withd](http://spectator.org/blog/2012/07/14/the-zimmerman-judge-must-withd) William A. Jacobson > **[With release of molestation tape, Zimmerman case moves further towards injustice](https://legalinsurrection.com/2012/07/with-release-of-molestation-tape-zimmerman-case-moves-further-towards-injustice/)** > > The release of an audio tape by an unnamed woman who claims George Zimmerman molested her starting when he was 8 and she was 6 is perhaps the most outrageous attempt to taint the jury pool yet. Via Orlando Sentinel: A woman told authorities that “I still don’t see any evidence yet of the elements of second-degree murder,” said Miami defense attorney John Priovolos, a former prosecutor. The new information “tends to support what Zimmerman is saying, that he was being assaulted,” said former Miami-Dade prosecutor David Waksman. “This case was never a second-degree murder case,” said longtime Miami defense lawyer Jeffrey Weiner. “If anything, it was an over-reaction in a self-defense situation.” [http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/19/2806555/evidence-against-zimmerman-lacking.html](http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/19/2806555/evidence-against-zimmerman-lacking.html) There, 11 great legal minds vs. a madcap fruitbasket. Consensus. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125)._