# Marvel Agents of SHIELD **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 25, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608 "2013-09-25T00:55:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/201 "2013-10-02T02:25:24Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > That whole “he must never know” bit suggests he doesn’t understand what happened. Well, it suggests that someone else thinks he doesn’t understand what happened, anyway. To mix comic-book universes for a moment, I’m reminded of that time the Flash finally revealed his secret identity to his wife – who said, _Yeah, I know; I’ve known for like a year, now; you talk in your sleep._ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/202 "2013-10-02T02:25:49Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > That whole “he must never know” bit suggests he doesn’t understand what happened. Although he really seems like he’s hinting at something with the repetition of “Tahiti is a magical place”. I’m guessing it is the mental quirk they threw in his mind so he wouldn’t explore it. Mention Tahiti and he has to respond, “It’s a magical place.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/203 "2013-10-02T02:35:16Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > I know it’s still early, and I’ll be watching next week, but I’m watching mainly because I’m a fan of Marvel Comics. If this is just a show about, as I said, “a rag-tag team of secret agents”, with a few allusions to the Marvel movies and an occasional cameo by Samuel L. Jackson or Cobie Smulders, then it doesn’t really have much to interest me. I agree with what others wrote. You’re looking for something that isn’t there. It’s like saying you don’t like _The Sopranos_ because they never had the singing you were expected. This is a show about secret agents not superheroes. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/204 "2013-10-02T02:44:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I agree with what others wrote. You’re looking for something that isn’t there. Maybe so. Seems like kind of a waste of the Marvel Universe though, if the plots are typically going to be along the lines of “secret agents fighting army guys in Peru.” ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/205 "2013-10-02T03:11:37Z")
It’s not posted to ABC’s website as of 11 tonight, so I’m hoping they’re running on a day-delay and it drops tomorrow. It seems awfully teaserish to put up the pilot and not the rest of the season, but it isn’t inconceivable. I hope they do post the whole season - otherwise I’m going to be visiting a lot of my cable-possessing friends on Tuesdays. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/206 "2013-10-02T06:31:11Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > It’s not posted to ABC’s website as of 11 tonight, so I’m hoping they’re running on a day-delay and it drops tomorrow. It seems awfully teaserish to put up the pilot and not the rest of the season, but it isn’t inconceivable. I hope they do post the whole season - otherwise I’m going to be visiting a lot of my cable-possessing friends on Tuesdays. The general rule seems to be episodes get posted the day after their broadcast. That was the schedule for last week’s episode of this show. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/207 "2013-10-02T11:33:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The general rule seems to be episodes get posted the day after their broadcast. That was the schedule for last week’s episode of this show. It’s up now. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/208 "2013-10-02T13:16:04Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m guessing it is the mental quirk they threw in his mind so he wouldn’t explore it. Mention Tahiti and he has to respond, “It’s a magical place.” Tahiti is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful place I’ve ever known in my life. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The general rule seems to be episodes get posted the day after their broadcast. That was the schedule for last week’s episode of this show. I would imagine they would wait for the west coast to finish its broadcast before posting an ad-free version. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/209 "2013-10-02T15:17:59Z")
According to IO9, Graviton will be showing up, so that’s a bit of a leap from WWII Tesseract Gamma Raygun to him. He was badass in the West Coast Avengers mini years ago, but I don’t know how he’s been treated as of late. > **[Peter Dinklage explains why his X-Men character isn't "the villain"](https://gizmodo.com/peter-dinklage-explains-why-his-x-men-character-isnt-1438773467)** > > Arrow's exec producer says the Flash will have a close relationship with a surprising character. Joe Quesada explains Graviton's appearance in Agents of SHIELD. And check out Julianne Moore's makeover to play PresidentAlma Coin in the Hunger Games.... ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/210 "2013-10-02T17:00:20Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > Although he really seems like he’s hinting at something with the repetition of “Tahiti is a magical place”. This feels like Coulson’s whimsical side. How about this: He knows he died, and something extraordinary happened. He may have even figured out, or remembered, what exactly that extraordinary thing was. But he knows he’s not _supposed_ to know about it; he’s only cleared for Level 6. So when he says, “Tahiti is a magical place,” he’s playing a game with the powers that be by pretending there’s still wool over his eyes, while helping them cover it up from discovery by those around him who don’t have clearance to know. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/211 "2013-10-02T17:02:58Z")
I really liked this episode, moreso than the pilot. Ward or whatever his name is is growing on me, and I’m even starting to be slightly less annoyed by Skye! Loved the cameo by SLJ. I think the show will do well if they just have occasional guest stars like him pop up. As people said, this isn’t a show about superheroes, that’s what the movies are for, so I’m not upset by the lack of big-name cameos each week. For me, the great thing about this show is that it fills in the details of the movie universe. I’m curious about what happens when aliens aren’t blowing crap up. The references to Stark and Captain America helps me appreciate this whole Marvel world much more. There’s a lot of loose ends left over from the movies, with all of the big dramatic fights that kills tons of people and property damage. We get to see the people responsible for cleaning that shit up. Its important and helps with the suspension in disbelief that after the movies are over, everyone doesn’t just go back home and live happily until the next BIG INCIDENT ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/212 "2013-10-03T03:41:00Z")
[MovieBob also has my theory](http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/moviebob/10637-Agents-of-S-H-I-E-L-D-Review-Episode-2-0-8-4.3) that Coulson is the original android in the glass from the Captain America movie. There’s nothing to disprove my theory yet, plus in Ep. 2 we see a greater appreciation from Coulson for antiques from WWII. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/213 "2013-10-03T03:56:16Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I really liked this episode, moreso than the pilot. Ward or whatever his name is is growing on me, and I’m even starting to be slightly less annoyed by Skye! Loved the cameo by SLJ. I think the show will do well if they just have occasional guest stars like him pop up. As people said, this isn’t a show about superheroes, that’s what the movies are for, so I’m not upset by the lack of big-name cameos each week. I’m guessing you’re going to see this a \*lot \*as the ad campaigns for the movies start to gear up. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/214 "2013-10-03T15:11:41Z")
I don’t like the android theory, because Coulson seems to have all of his memories except “Tahiti.” That would give SHIELD mind transfer technology. Add that to perfect duplication of human body technology and you start digging a hole that they probably don’t want to get into. ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/215 "2013-10-03T17:36:59Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I don’t like the android theory, because Coulson seems to have all of his memories except “Tahiti.” That would give SHIELD mind transfer technology. Add that to perfect duplication of human body technology and you start digging a hole that they probably don’t want to get into. I guess I just got used to the idea in [Dollhouse](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/). ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/216 "2013-10-03T17:45:48Z")
Well, the movieverse does have LMDs as Tony Stark references it near the start of the Avengers, when he’s trying to avoid Coulson. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/217 "2013-10-03T17:52:18Z")
My minor gripe is that they made a big deal about that guy being “level 6” and that being promoted to “level 7” meant he could now know that Coulson was alive. And now Coulson is running around and all kinds of people who are clearly not “level 7” know he is alive. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/218 "2013-10-03T17:57:01Z")
I don’t understand all this feverish speculation about the nature of Coulson. We never saw him die. We only heard Fury tell the others he had died — and Agent Hill admitted it was done to draw the Avengers together. Coulson said he was dead for 8 seconds and then revived. I believe him. Then he says he was sent to Tahiti for R&R. Clearly there’s something about that stretch that is being kept from him — apparently that he wasn’t really in Tahiti. But that was after he was revived on board the helicarrier. What reason is here to think he’s a robot or a Howard Stark experiment or anything else other than what he thinks he is? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/219 "2013-10-03T18:02:48Z")
> [@Cayuga](#): > > What reason is here to think he’s a robot or a Howard Stark experiment or anything else other than what he thinks he is? Because no matter how many times they’re told this is a show about non-superheroes, they want it to be a show about superheroes. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608/220 "2013-10-03T18:14:49Z")
> [@Cayuga](#): > > Then he says he was sent to Tahiti for R&R. Clearly there’s something about that stretch that is being kept from him — apparently that he wasn’t really in Tahiti. But that was after he was revived on board the helicarrier. > > What reason is here to think he’s a robot or a Howard Stark experiment or anything else other than what he thinks he is? Because being in Hoboken when you think you’re in Tahiti is not the sort of thing that requires an ominous “He must never know…” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-agents-of-shield/669608.md?page=12)