# Marvel comic book geek 'dopers...Age of Ultron questions (here be SPOILERS!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 11, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807 "2015-05-11T20:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/21 "2015-05-11T23:48:47Z")
Just in case…SPOILERS… I’m easily amused that a lot of folks assumed that since Joss kills off characters often in his work, and Hawkeye was seen as useless (which he is, really), Joss set it up by…_having him buy a farm_ and yet not die. And yes they’ve said he’s DEAD, which doesn’t mean Thanos can’t bring him back as a Zombie. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/22 "2015-05-12T02:43:33Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > As for the Hulk heading off by himself, well, that’s the Hulk. The Hulk was actually only a member of the Avengers for two issues back in the 60s. Hulk has to walk away, until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him. They should have shown [Mark Ruffalo hitchhiking his way across the country](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4C1ZQKmw4). The one thing that disappointed me the most about the movie was that they didn’t use the piano theme in the scene where Hulk is sitting alone in the jet. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/23 "2015-05-12T04:04:07Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This isn’t correct. Marvel’s already done a stand-alone Hulk film: 2008’s _The Incredible Hulk_, the one with Ed Norton. The only thing stopping them from doing another one now is the disappointing box office of the previous two Hulk films. [Marvel Studios Doesn’t Fully Own The Rights To The Hulk](http://sciencefiction.com/2015/04/17/marvel-studios-doesnt-fully-rights-hulk/) Basically, Marvel owns the rights to make stand-alone Hulk movies but Universal owns the rights to distribute the resulting movies. When the Hulk movies came out, this seemed like a good idea: Marvel was a small studio and it got a major studio as its partner to assume some of the costs and risks. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/24 "2015-05-12T16:06:58Z")
Yes, of course he’s comic book dead, not dead dead. He’s only mostly dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. If there’s a narrative reason to bring back the character then they just do it. That said, there’s no particular reason I can see to bring this character back to life in this generation of movies. He’s not a tentpole character, there are literally hundreds of other characters they could use. If someone really wants to use Quicksilver in a movie they can use him in the Xmen continuity, which was just rebooted, or pre-rebooted, or whatever. Aaaaand, I just looked to see, and it turns out they are using the Xmen movie version of Quicksilver for Xmen Apocalypse. So there you go. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/25 "2015-05-12T17:19:16Z")
Whoa, Quicksilver’s back in the next X-Men movie!? Do you have a cite? That is terrific news, his sequence was probably the best scene in all of DOFP ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/26 "2015-05-12T17:31:59Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Whoa, Quicksilver’s back in the next X-Men movie!? Do you have a cite? That is terrific news, his sequence was probably the best scene in all of DOFP He’s in the IMDB credits page for the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/27 "2015-05-12T18:39:38Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Yes, of course he’s comic book dead, not dead dead. He’s only mostly dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. If there’s a narrative reason to bring back the character then they just do it. > > That said, there’s no particular reason I can see to bring this character back to life in this generation of movies. He’s not a tentpole character, there are literally hundreds of other characters they could use. This was exactly my point. Sure they (Disney/Marvel) COULD but why would they? They don’t need the character. Whoa, I just realized that he essentially got 'fridged. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/28 "2015-05-12T21:07:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > He’s in the IMDB credits page for the movie. Which means nothing. But there are plenty of reports that confirm it, a simple google search shows. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/29 "2015-05-16T00:13:28Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > Vibranium and Adamantium are different - [Vibranium](http://marvel.com/universe/Glossary:V#Vibranium)is an extraterrestrial metal, [Adamantium](http://marvel.com/universe/Adamantium)is an alloy. Africa and Antarctica (the two places vibraninum sources are found) are extraterrestrial? Also, Cap’s shield isn’t made of either, it’s made of some sort of other alloy, superior to either of those, but the formula was lost. I don’t think it’s ever been given a name, due to the limited supply, 100% of which is in Cap’s shield. Capshieldium? As for the movies, who knows why they changed it, they change lots of stuff, like Hawkeye being married to some random normal instead of Mockingbird or Vision’s mind not being patterned on Wonder Man and his body not being a rebuilt Human Torch. Just how it is. I doubt Fox has exclusive rights to Adamantium, though, that would be an utterly silly reason. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/30 "2015-05-16T00:27:34Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Whoa, Quicksilver’s back in the next X-Men movie!? Do you have a cite? That is terrific news, his sequence was probably the best scene in all of DOFP When he zipped around the room jamming with his headphones on? Like, half a second’s worth of music? It was cool though. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/31 "2015-05-16T00:33:37Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Africa and Antarctica (the two places vibraninum sources are found) are extraterrestrial? No, but the vibranium in both places came from pre-historic meteor strikes. > [@](#): > > Also, Cap’s shield isn’t made of either, it’s made of some sort of other alloy, superior to either of those, but the formula was lost. I don’t think it’s ever been given a name, due to the limited supply, 100% of which is in Cap’s shield. Capshieldium? Cap’s shield is a unique alloy of vibranium, iron, and an unknown third material which allowed the other two metals to combine. It’s never (?) been reproduced in the Marvel universe, but the scientist who created it ended up inventing adamantium in his efforts to replicate his earlier success. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/32 "2015-05-16T00:39:00Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > I doubt Fox has exclusive rights to Adamantium, though, that would be an utterly silly reason. I suspect (though I admittedly don’t know for sure) that this is precisely the reason. Adamantium is most closely associated with Wolverine, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was included in the bundle of X-Men stuff that Fox has the rights to.\* I like the movie’s explanation better, anyway. Just say Cap’s shield is made of vibranium and be done with it. The comics’ approach–it’s kind of like adamantium, only better, and nobody ever bothered to give it a name, but it’s definitely not adamantium, but this other stuff that’s better–has always been damned awkward. \*You want an example of something really silly, it’s the fact that Marvel Studios can’t use the word “mutant.” I mean, that’s an actual, real-world scientific term. Stan Lee didn’t make that word up, it really exists. How can they trademark it? Boggles my poor little mind, it does. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/33 "2015-05-16T03:28:22Z")
I just saw the movie this afternoon, and loved it. As a Marvel Zombie, I know who Ulysses Klaue is (and who he will become.) But someone in my party was wondering about the picture on his desk, showing a woman – his wife? Sweetie? Daughter? They said they thought the camera lingered meaningfully on that picture, and that it was a meaningful clue of some sort. Is it…or was it just a bit of throwaway set decoration? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/34 "2015-05-16T13:21:19Z")
Ultron _did_ create a conventional robot body out of vibranium, in addition to the bio-vibranium hybrid that became Vision. He debuts it when he’s intimidating Wanda, where the first intimidating body says something about evolution, then a second body behind the first one crushes it. Stark comments on it when he meets the new body, and asks “Have you been juicing?”. This is the body that took combined blasts from all of the Avengers together, and was still only slowly crumbling, even though a single Avenger could take out normal Ultroi by the dozens. And it wasn’t actually clear to me that Quicksilver was dead, and I was a bit annoyed that they left it unclear. Yes, he was mortally wounded, and yes, someone (Cap?) checks his pulse after that. But the person who checked his pulse never said anything about the result, and they took the body with them, and they’ve already been shown, in this very movie, to be able to fix up mortal wounds good as new (with the only side effect being that, unfortunately, Barton is still Barton). So… Did they? They seem to be implying that they did not, what with him not showing up after that, but that doesn’t mean much. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807/35 "2015-05-16T17:36:08Z")
Short of dismembering the body, I’m not sure how they could have made it any clearer that Quicksilver was dead. He’s shot full of holes. He’s lying in the ground, eyes open, surrounded by people who aren’t even trying to give him any medical attention. And in movies and TV, if someone takes someone else’s pulse, and doesn’t say anything, that’s pretty universal shorthand for “he’s dead.” I still think it won’t stick, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-comic-book-geek-dopers-age-of-ultron-questions-here-be-spoilers/719807.md?page=1)