# Marvel Universe/Avengers filmography in order? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 28, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866 "2016-05-28T00:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/41 "2016-05-31T17:26:52Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Malekith wasn’t a nihilist. Plunging the Universe into Darkness would have _effectively_ “destroyed” the Universe for every other race in existence but he wasn’t truly aiming to destroy the Universe, he was trying to _restore_ an earlier state of the Universe within which his race thrived- in fact, the only state of the Universe under which his race _could_ possibly thrive. > > I never got all the Malekith hate. The general rule for what makes a good villain is that the villain is the hero from his own point of view. Malekith totally meets this standard. The problem I have with Malekith is I just don’t remember a damned thing about him. Pretty much every other Marvel villain, I can remember at least one good interaction with the hero, or a great fight scene, or at least a cool one liner. While I can remember a lot of cool bits from _Dark World_, none of them involve Malekith. I just recall this guy standing around glaring at everyone until he dies at the end. Even the big fight at the end, where they keep warping through different world: that was super-cool, but and I don’t remember Malekith in it at all. Actually, Ronan from _Guardians_ wasn’t much better. He didn’t even get a good fight scene: he’s defeated at the end by all the good guys holding hands at him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/42 "2016-05-31T17:49:12Z")
I agree that Ronan and Malekith were boring and forgettable. Strangely, the quality of the villain in MCU movies doesn’t seem to have a whole lot to do with the overall quality of the movie – Ronan was much worse than Loki, I thought, but Guardians of the Galaxy was still a lot better than Thor, in my opinion. My ranking of MCU villains (from my memory, so I won’t include them all): Top tier (great): Loki, the Mandarin (as the hilarious British actor guy) Second Tier (good): Obadiah Stane (Iron Monger), Ultron, Red Skull, Robert Redford (forget his character’s name) and assorted Hydra, the Sam Rockwell character from Iron Man 2 Third Tier (decent): Whiplash, the Extremis dude from Iron Man 3, Yellowjacket Bottom Tier (very forgettable): Ronan, Malekith ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/43 "2016-05-31T18:11:09Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > _Iron Man 3_ doesn’t feature an Infinity Stone. It does feature the Extremis enhancement, which certainly played a substantial role in _Agents of S.H.E.I.L.D._ and could come back to the story later (although they seem to have closed off that thread in the cinematic line for now). However, it is a fun road trip movie with some noir-ish elements that managed to piss off a lot of hardcore comic book nerds by subverting a major villian in typical Shane Black fashion, and also has some great humor while still extending the darkness and paranoia that is consuming and driving Stark. Well worth watching. > > Stranger Isn’t Extremis one of the Stones? Or am I confusing it with the Red crap from Thor 2? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/44 "2016-05-31T18:17:56Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Isn’t Extremis one of the Stones? Or am I confusing it with the Red crap from Thor 2? No, Extremis is just another in a long line of failed attempts to recreate the Super Soldier serum. The red stuff in _Dark World_ was the Aether, which is generated by the Reality Stone. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/45 "2016-05-31T18:54:04Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Loki is even fun [off-screen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R9g_VABesA). [Loki serves out his community service at a kindergarten](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALUCl2p4aFc). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/46 "2016-05-31T19:12:45Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Ronan from _Guardians_ wasn’t much better. He didn’t even get a good fight scene [/QUOTE] [genuinely baffled] _“What are you doing?”_ [/genuinely baffled] ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/47 "2016-05-31T19:51:06Z")
[Comic Book Resources](http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/report-thor-ragnarok-will-draw-influence-from-planet-hulk-guardians-2-villain-revealed) is reporting that the villain in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 will be the being known mainly as “Her” in the comics (though she has used other names as well). Like Ronan, her character in the comics isn’t particularly villainous, so it’s very possible that GotG2 will continue the trend of villains who don’t really measure up. The character of “Her” in the comics is a female version of Adam Warlock, which might mean that long-time speculation that Warlock is Star Lord’s father is correct. Or even without that, it might at least simply bring Warlock into the MCU altogether, which would make sense given the overarching Infinity Stones/Thanos thrust of the MCU super-story. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/48 "2016-05-31T20:04:46Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > The character of “Her” in the comics is a female version of Adam Warlock, which might mean that long-time speculation that Warlock is Star Lord’s father is correct. Or even without that, it might at least simply bring Warlock into the MCU altogether, which would make sense given the overarching Infinity Stones/Thanos thrust of the MCU super-story. Wait, since when has there been any question about Peter Quill’s parentage? Hasn’t it always been J’Son of Spartax? Or do you just mean in context of the MCU? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/49 "2016-05-31T20:47:01Z")
In the context of the MCU. Peter Gunn has very clearly said that in the movies, Star Lord’s father is not J’Son of Spartax, and this is taken to imply that he is some other, known Marvel Universe character (though likely one new to the MCU, prior to GotG2). ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/50 "2016-05-31T22:14:07Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > [genuinely baffled] > > _“What are you doing?”_ > > [/genuinely baffled] I actually like to imagine this scene in real life with Obama facing off with Putin over a presumptive attack on Poland or Romania. “Dance off, Vlad! You and me, you big turd-blossom!” Best international conflict resolution ever. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866/51 "2016-06-01T03:17:11Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > In the context of the MCU. Peter Gunn has very clearly said that in the movies, Star Lord’s father is not J’Son of Spartax, and this is taken to imply that he is some other, known Marvel Universe character (though likely one new to the MCU, prior to GotG2). I’ve personally formed the notion that Peter’s father is Eros, AKA Starfox - Thanos’ brother. No huge reason, but it does tie Guardians more closely into the whole Thanos storyline, fits the love-'em and leave 'em mentality (apparent) of Peter’s father, and provides that “something very ancient” that Nova Prime noted in Peter’s biology. That, and Eros _is_ a jackass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvel-universe-avengers-filmography-in-order/755866.md?page=2)