# Marvel's Agent Carter ep5 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 5, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867 "2015-02-05T04:17:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/1 "2015-02-05T04:17:38Z")
Iron skies After five episodes, the show is finally starting to see some forward momentum. We got the commando’s, who even Dougan thinks she has gotten boring, man cant even enjoy a good stogie without big nanny tossing it away. Mainly this episode in my opinion, finally shows Peggy in her proper element. Your forced to see her first and foremost as a warrior. Some poignant moments about the war , and makes mean girls look like a kindergarten spat. Declan ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/2 "2015-02-05T04:20:24Z")
“Stop wahooing and help!” ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/3 "2015-02-05T10:37:34Z")
I liked the part where she had seen a one-time pad in England years ago, so that gave her the ability to decrypt every other one-time pad as fast as she could read the code. I think the writers didn’t quite get the “one-time” part. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/4 "2015-02-05T13:02:03Z")
I thought the scene of Peggy in the locker room in her “underwear” was pretty funny. She was wearing more than the average woman walking down the street in Manhattan these days (in summer at least). The full story is finally beginning to come together. Leviathan is the agency that creates the Black Widows, who committed some kind of atrocity at Finow, and are currently stealing and using Stark’s technology. Stark got in a fight with a general after Finow - I’m guessing the general wanted to collect & use whatever biotech they found in the remains, but Stark was firmly against it? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/5 "2015-02-05T13:38:21Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I liked the part where she had seen a one-time pad in England years ago, so that gave her the ability to decrypt every other one-time pad as fast as she could read the code. > > I think the writers didn’t quite get the “one-time” part. Makes you wonder about that whole Bletchley Park crowd. Sure, they all talked about how much work they did breaking the Enigma code every day but apparently it was actually quite easy. I imagine the German transmissions came in, Alan Turing and his buddies just handed them off to a secretary and told her to decode them, and then they took the afternoon off and went out clubbing. The next morning, they’d bring the decoded messages to Churchill and claim they’d been up all night working on them. Quite the scam. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/6 "2015-02-05T14:00:12Z")
I’m wondering if this will all tie into the new Avengers movie somehow - maybe we’ll see a flashback to Natasha’s childhood, handcuffed to a bed. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/7 "2015-02-05T14:56:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’m wondering if this will all tie into the new Avengers movie somehow - maybe we’ll see a flashback to Natasha’s childhood, handcuffed to a bed. I’m assuming the crying girl they encountered was/is Natasha. I am also assuming that the rescued ‘doctor’ is playing them. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/8 "2015-02-05T15:04:19Z")
The whole series of events in this episode read like a set-up. SSR intercepts a coded message from captured equipment that suggests Howard Stark really is as guilty as they think he is. When they follow up on the convenient coordinates, they waltz into an underdefended base with one murder girl and a handful of guards who only show up _after_ they conveniently rescue the only two prisoners in the place. One of whom conveniently shoots the other, thereby ingratiating himself with his rescuers. And if that easily-uncoded message was for a Leviathan operative, why give _coordinates_ for the rendezvous point at a Leviathan base? A message to an actual Leviathan operative would’ve just said “send the check to the Red Room”. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/9 "2015-02-05T15:22:21Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I’m assuming the crying girl they encountered was/is Natasha. Although there is precedent for characters looking much younger than they should, Natasha’s birthday shows up in _The Winter Soldier_ on a document that appears on screen. She was born 198-something. It’s a SHIELD file, so one would assume it to be accurate. > [@Lightray](#): > > The whole series of events in this episode read like a set-up. Carter has a line of dialogue mentioning that it’s an obvious set-up but she wants to use the situation to learn whatever she can. It’s not clear if they’re being cautious enough to be suspicious of their convenient rescued guy. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/10 "2015-02-05T15:32:36Z")
Did anyone else recognize “Nikola” as [Svetlana’s](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1484498/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) husband? I kept wondering how he was going to get back to the St. Petersburg House of Discreet Pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/11 "2015-02-05T16:01:49Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I’m assuming the crying girl they encountered was/is Natasha. > > I am also assuming that the rescued ‘doctor’ is playing them. If Natasha were indeed a child of the 1930’s, we’d see some of that in her rapport with Steve Rogers in _Winter Soldier_. Why would she hide the fact that she was from “his time”? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/12 "2015-02-05T16:23:48Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > If Natasha were indeed a child of the 1930’s, we’d see some of that in her rapport with Steve Rogers in _Winter Soldier_. Why would she hide the fact that she was from “his time”? I’ll admit I wasn’t really thinking about how old that would make Natasha at this point, but she is a trained operative, etc - Bucky in Winter soldier still looks pretty young/comparitive to Rogers age - so that fits with the girl being Natasha (assuming experiments with Rogers super soldier serum which is what I think they are setting up with the recovered vial of cap’s blood ). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/13 "2015-02-05T16:27:11Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Although there is precedent for characters looking much younger than they should, Natasha’s birthday shows up in _The Winter Soldier_ on a document that appears on screen. She was born 198-something. It’s a SHIELD file, so one would assume it to be accurate. I assume nothing ! She wouldn’t be the first woman to lie about her age - possibly to dissuade experiments to determine _how_ she appears to age well. (trained operative, etc) ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/14 "2015-02-05T19:22:33Z")
Bucky didn’t age because he was given a version of the same Serum Rogers was. Also it is implied Bucky was put into storage when they didn’t need him. It is very very unlikely that girl was Black Widow but I agree that Black Widow almost certainly came from the modern day equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/15 "2015-02-05T23:40:06Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > If Natasha were indeed a child of the 1930’s, we’d see some of that in her rapport with Steve Rogers in _Winter Soldier_. Why would she hide the fact that she was from “his time”? Maybe she is one of those inhuman types that skye’s parents were Declan ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/16 "2015-02-06T15:29:54Z")
Inhumans typically have unique powers, with no two having the same power; so it’s unlikely we’ll see another looks-human-immortal Inhuman. However, Natasha in the MU _has_ been treated with something like the supersoldier serum – she’s got slow aging, improved immune system, improved healing type stuff sort of like Steve Rogers. I just think it’s too much backstory to cram into the Marvel movies, and I don’t see Natasha showing up in Agent Carter/Agents of SHIELD without Scarlett Johansson being involved and I don’t see Scarlett Johansson getting involved with the tv shows. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/17 "2015-02-06T15:50:05Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Inhumans typically have unique powers, with no two having the same power; so it’s unlikely we’ll see another looks-human-immortal Inhuman. > > However, Natasha in the MU _has_ been treated with something like the supersoldier serum – she’s got slow aging, improved immune system, improved healing type stuff sort of like Steve Rogers. I just think it’s too much backstory to cram into the Marvel movies, and I don’t see Natasha showing up in Agent Carter/Agents of SHIELD without Scarlett Johansson being involved and I don’t see Scarlett Johansson getting involved with the tv shows. I see the crying girl as a cameo/first appearance that might/maybe get refereed to later - clearly no one at this point even caught the girls name. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/18 "2015-02-06T16:18:13Z")
I thought it was kind of obvious that this was a predecessor to the sort of program that produced The Black Widow in the 80s. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/19 "2015-02-06T16:39:47Z")
Yes, I think the showrunner confirmed that Dottie was a Black Widow and that this was the Red Room we just saw. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agent-carter-ep5/711867/20 "2015-02-06T16:45:32Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I thought it was kind of obvious that this was a predecessor to the sort of program that produced The Black Widow in the 80s. Rigth - that thsi is how they were created/trained is of little/no doubt - its wether or not we saw a young Natasha specifically.