# Marvel's Agents of SHIELD **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409 "2017-12-02T23:32:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/181 "2018-03-28T22:35:59Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > I don’t really get this: if it’s a saying that Jemma’s daughter heard her say her whole life, what difference does it make if it’s not a saying that Jemma has used for _Jemma’s_ whole life? It’s just that _we’ve_ never heard Jemma use that expression before, and by shocking coincidence, the first time she uses the expression (before us, the audience) is after the time travelling character quotes it? The whole thing is already pretty contrived, but this makes it even more so. It’s like Deke saying “I heard my grandmother really like something called ‘Froot Loops’,” followed by a scene of Jemma in the pantry looking for a snack and saying “Oh, good, Froot Loops. I love these and I always have. I’ve just never mentioned it before, for some reason.” It’s the kind of thing one might expect on an episode of _Futurama_. The bit with the wedding ring was clumsy (and gave away the twist immediately). I think I would have liked it better if they’d been more subtle about the ring (Deke: “It reminds me of a ring my mom had. I dunno where she got it.”) and left the twist for the end of the episode when the bad guys note that Deke is genetically related to both Fitz and Simmons. The show could redeem itself, I figure, if they have an extra twist in store where Deke _isn’t_ just a Fitzsimmons grandson, but also a Fitzsimmons grand_parent_! Hey, once time travel’s in the mix, all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/182 "2018-03-28T22:42:35Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > …Please try to tell that to Djimon Hounsou. > > [http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/11/guardians\_djimon\_1280.jpg](http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/11/guardians_djimon_1280.jpg) I never thought he was Kree. He was just working for Ronan. Much like Nebula, Gamora, and the Sakaarans. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/183 "2018-03-29T00:16:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s just that _we’ve_ never heard Jemma use that expression before, and by shocking coincidence, the first time she uses the expression (before us, the audience) is after the time travelling character quotes it? The whole thing is already pretty contrived, but this makes it even more so. It’s like Deke saying “I heard my grandmother really like something called ‘Froot Loops’,” followed by a scene of Jemma in the pantry looking for a snack and saying “Oh, good, Froot Loops. I love these and I always have. I’ve just never mentioned it before, for some reason.” > > It’s the kind of thing one might expect on an episode of _Futurama_. > > The bit with the wedding ring was clumsy (and gave away the twist immediately). I think I would have liked it better if they’d been more subtle about the ring (Deke: “It reminds me of a ring my mom had. I dunno where she got it.”) and left the twist for the end of the episode when the bad guys note that Deke is genetically related to both Fitz and Simmons. > > The show could redeem itself, I figure, if they have an extra twist in store where Deke _isn’t_ just a Fitzsimmons grandson, but also a Fitzsimmons grand_parent_! Hey, once time travel’s in the mix, all bets are off. Every time I try to convince myself that I’m not weird, I read something like this. If this is how normal people consume entertainment, I _must_ be weird: I never think about stuff like this when I’m watching TV, like, ever. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/184 "2018-03-29T01:03:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was vaguely expecting the motto “it doesn’t matter if your steps are small as long as they’re in the right direction” to do the paradox thing, i.e. Zeke mentions it to Simmons, who’d never heard it before but likes how it sounds and adopts it as a personal motto she will presumably frequently use for years to come. Instead, it felt forced and artificial; Zeke mentions the motto and completely independently Simmons uses the same phrase later in the episode and for the first time ever, as far as the audience knows. > > If Simmons had used the motto or something similar back in the first season and this was more of a callback, that would work better. Now it just feels contrived. Zeek heard her say it to yoyo a couple episodes back, that’s what made him start making connections to Gramma and Pawpaw Simmonsfitz in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/185 "2018-03-29T01:04:54Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > …Please try to tell that to Djimon Hounsou. > > [http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/11/guardians\_djimon\_1280.jpg](http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/11/guardians_djimon_1280.jpg) I’ll tell it to 40+ years of Marvel Comics, thankyouverymuch. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/186 "2018-03-29T02:06:29Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Zeek heard her say it to yoyo a couple episodes back, that’s what made him start making connections to Gramma and Pawpaw Simmonsfitz in the first place. It’s Deke, and it was this episode, after we hear the specter of Deke’s mother say it first. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/187 "2018-03-29T12:08:43Z")
Some Kree are rainbow-colored. They call them Kree-ative. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/188 "2018-03-29T14:33:35Z")
:smack::smack::smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/189 "2018-03-29T16:03:59Z")
I have been trying to remember when Fitz (and Simmons) were stuck on the bottom of the Ocean. He’s been a “Damaged” version of himself since then. That has been a really long time now hasn’t it? I’m not saying the experience is what created his dark side that we saw here. I am just saying the Sunny, Fun guy from the pilot has been gone a long long time hasn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/190 "2018-03-29T16:27:15Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I have been trying to remember when Fitz (and Simmons) were stuck on the bottom of the Ocean. He’s been a “Damaged” version of himself since then. That has been a really long time now hasn’t it? I’m not saying the experience is what created his dark side that we saw here. I am just saying the Sunny, Fun guy from the pilot has been gone a long long time hasn’t he? It was final episode of the first season, when they were fighting Grant, Garrett, & Hydra. ETA: The 2nd season opener was when we first saw him talking to mind-Jemma. I think it was revealed she wasn’t really there at the end of the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/191 "2018-03-29T18:07:42Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I never thought he was Kree. He was just working for Ronan. Much like Nebula, Gamora, and the Sakaarans. He’s “Korath the Pursuer.” In the movie-verse I don’t think we’ve seen any Kree who weren’t blue, but he has a title like Ronan does so I’d assume he is supposed to be a kind of Kree. > [@TBG](#): > > I’ll tell it to 40+ years of Marvel Comics, thankyouverymuch. …Cool story… is this show based on the comics or…? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/192 "2018-03-29T19:02:48Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > He’s “Korath the Pursuer.” In the movie-verse I don’t think we’ve seen any Kree who weren’t blue, but he has a title like Ronan does so I’d assume he is supposed to be a kind of Kree. According to [this wiki](http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Korath_the_Pursuer) he is Kree. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/193 "2018-03-29T19:15:20Z")
Well, he’s supposed to be in Captain Marvel along with Ronan and PHIL COULSON! so maybe it will clarify that. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/194 "2018-03-29T21:10:18Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > PHIL COULSON! I heard he was dead. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/195 "2018-03-29T21:23:37Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I heard he was dead. Not hardly. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/196 "2018-03-29T21:47:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I heard he was dead. It’s set in the 90’s. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/197 "2018-03-30T02:28:00Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > It’s set in the 90’s. Was it confirmed the entire movie is or just a part? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/198 "2018-03-30T14:35:03Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Was it confirmed the entire movie is or just a part? The summary from Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > Set in the 1990s, Captain Marvel follows Carol Danvers as she turns into one of the galaxy’s mightiest heroes after the Earth is caught in the center of an intergalactic conflict between two alien worlds. I’m guessing the end of the movie will jump forward the present day, like the first Captain America. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/199 "2018-03-30T14:50:27Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I heard he was dead. Nah…just vacationing in Tahiti. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/200 "2018-03-30T15:01:12Z")
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