# Marvel's Agents of SHIELD **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409 "2017-12-02T23:32:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/221 "2018-04-24T15:40:49Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > - Yo-Yo’s arms not working with her super speed, but how could she have not tried that until now? She did (when locking Mack in Fitz’s cell). But it seems to be getting worse each time. > [@](#): > > - FitzSimmons fixing the machine - Fitz was willing to let the ends justify the means when he went all evil but he can’t make the sacrifice here to save the world? And same question to Jemma. Remember, they still think the future is fixed and can’t be changed, to a ludicrous extent (see Gemma’s acid test last episode.) And yet, wouldn’t they want to at least try to change it? yeah… I dunno… I got nuthin. > [@](#): > > - Why was Talbot’s wife there with Hale’s flunky at the perfect time? What’s her motivation for working with them to trigger Talbot’s programming? I think it was the opposite… Hale’s flunky was there with Talbot’s wife. I don’t know how Hale got wind of Daisy’s plan for Talbot to contact her. (Is there still a mole? Piper? or just some electronic surveillance that Daisy didn’t realize she pinged when setting up the call?) But once she did, she sent her lackey (does she have a name?) to the Talbot home to threaten Mrs. Talbot into reading the script. (I don’t think Hale would be above threatening Talbot’s son to get her to “comply”. That’s plenty of motivation.) > [@](#): > > - Gravitonium - this magic exotic substance, can be piped through a garden hose. Although they did acknowledge that it was not expected to work like that. Well they’ve already established you can catch it in a plastic tackle box, so why not a hose? I’m guessing the spirits of the gravitonium (Hall and Quinn) were responsible for making it flow through the hose. They want a body to possess. > [@](#): > > - Daisy Deke - I like the Deke character but right now it’s just lightweight infatuation Yeah, Deke pining for Daisy is pretty funny and endearing. But I see no reason in hell for Daisy to ever reciprocate. > [@](#): > > We only have Daisy left as the possible destroyer of worlds, unless they throw a curveball and have someone else get the gravitonium enema. Has the timeline been changed yet? I doubt it since it seems to resolve around not saving Coulson. yeah, there’s no way the endgame is here yet because it hasn’t involved any choice to not save Coulson. But remember that Ruby only got 8% of the gravitonium injection. There’s still plenty to put into another subject. (Though who on earth other than Ruby would be nuts enough to get in willingly is beyond me…) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/222 "2018-04-24T17:15:42Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Yeah, Deke pining for Daisy is pretty funny and endearing. But I see no reason in hell for Daisy to ever reciprocate. Because if she does, Fitz and Simmons can argue over the appropriateness of thier grandchild dating their boss. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/223 "2018-04-24T17:27:55Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Yeah, Deke pining for Daisy is pretty funny and endearing. But I see no reason in hell for Daisy to ever reciprocate. Oh, come on. He gave her lemons! That’s gotta make up for the whole betraying her and selling her into slavery thing, right? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/224 "2018-04-24T19:56:00Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I think it was the opposite… Hale’s flunky was there with Talbot’s wife. I don’t know how Hale got wind of Daisy’s plan for Talbot to contact her. (Is there still a mole? Piper? or just some electronic surveillance that Daisy didn’t realize she pinged when setting up the call?) But once she did, she sent her lackey (does she have a name?) to the Talbot home to threaten Mrs. Talbot into reading the script. (I don’t think Hale would be above threatening Talbot’s son to get her to “comply”. That’s plenty of motivation.) She didn’t look particularly threatened to me. “Okay, the General has escaped and may harm himself or others. When he calls, read this script which will calm him down.” Doesn’t explain the full programming to kidnap Robin, but the wife’s script could have included a “call the base” instruction which wouldn’t have seemed odd to the Mrs., and they added the kidnap instructions later. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/225 "2018-04-25T13:18:02Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > She didn’t look particularly threatened to me. “Okay, the General has escaped and may harm himself or others. When he calls, read this script which will calm him down.” True. A bit of manipulation could work instead of threats. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/226 "2018-04-25T13:24:28Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > True. A bit of manipulation could work instead of threats. Talbot’s wife was sufficiently scared after the incident in the hospital with their son that I can understand her cooperating with Hale’s flunky. But I still don’t know how the flunky was there at the time the call came in. That’s the part that doesn’t make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/227 "2018-04-25T14:28:55Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Talbot’s wife was sufficiently scared after the incident in the hospital with their son that I can understand her cooperating with Hale’s flunky. But I still don’t know how the flunky was there at the time the call came in. That’s the part that doesn’t make any sense. Hale mentioned a contingency plan after Talbot escaped. I’m guessing she just hung out there, assuming Talbot would try to contact them eventually. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/228 "2018-04-25T15:23:19Z")
It seems like the show is going to completely ignore _Infinity War_… which doesn’t seem ignorable. I really thought this last episode would have something anticipating bigger events to come but it seemed to remain pretty self contained. Films released coinciding with the season wrap-up of _Agents of SHIELD_: [ul] [li]_ **Winter Soldier** _ - This was the only _major_ tie-in and it was handled beautifully with Hyrda’s reveal and attempted takeover of SHIELD very well set up during the T.V. show _without_ revealing spoilers for the movie. Then, the following episode (and rest of the season) after the movie was released they dealt with the fallout from the events of the movie within the scope of the plotline for the season.[/li]\* [li]_ **Age of Ultron** _ - Episode before the movie: “Coulson! You MUST tell us other SHIELD leaders about this secret project that only you know about!”[/li]“No! I won’t! Because I am Phil Coulson and Nick Fury gave me a little cube and told me that I’m special!” Episode after the movie: “See? My secret was that I was hiding a leftover old version helicarrier and I had to get it to Nick Fury so he could help battle Ultron way up in the sky!” “We’re sorry we ever doubted you, Coulson. Even though I am Edward James Olmos I will now completely trust you no matter what secrets you may keep from me.” \* [li]_ **Civil War** _ - “O.K., everybody, we’re abiding by the Segovia Accords now! Everybody good with that? O.K. now let’s pick up where we left off last week.”[/li]\* [li]_ **Guardians of the Galaxy 2** _ - Took place far away in space. Also, release of the movie did not correspond with the timing of the events in the movie (released almost 3 years after the first GotG movie but takes place only a few months after the first movie). So, it was natural not to reference it at all in the show.[/li][/ul] For _Infinity War_ I thought the acknowledgment would lean closer to what they did with _Winter Soldier_. And when they started building towards shadowy villains from space, that’s when I _really_ thought they were preparing for _Infinity War_. This last episode, though, just did not feel to me like it was getting ready to acknowledge bigger events beyond the plot and characters of the T.V. show. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/229 "2018-04-25T17:12:57Z")
Meh, while I loved how Winter Soldier meshed with the show, I don’t see a need to acknowledge IW until next season, if there is one. Especially with the time-travel shenanigans, there’s no reason to believe the show timeline is still synced with the movies down to the week. Everything until the end of this season could easily happen before IW. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/230 "2018-04-25T17:17:25Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Meh, while I loved how Winter Soldier meshed with the show, I don’t see a need to acknowledge IW until next season, if there is one. Especially with the time-travel shenanigans, there’s no reason to believe the show timeline is still synced with the movies down to the week. Everything until the end of this season could easily happen before IW. Also, with schedule changes and IW being bumped a week earlier, I’m not sure if they even knew when it would come out in relation to the show. Can we promise no IW spoilers in this thread? I’m thinking I should avoid any Marvel related topics for the next few days… ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/231 "2018-04-27T15:11:13Z")
When the show was on Tuesdays, fans had the entire weekend until the next show after a Friday movie release. Now that the show is on Fridays… what counts as the “next show after the movie release”? Acknowledging the new movie on the Friday show the very same Friday as the movie release is jumping on too quickly. So, fans that went to the Thursday screening will just have to accept that the show is lagging in timeline. The show can certainly lag in timeline a bit more, but if it ignores _Infinity War_ all together… well, then this show sure as hell no longer takes place in the same universe because this new movie is completely unignorable! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/232 "2018-04-27T15:19:42Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > When the show was on Tuesdays, fans had the entire weekend until the next show after a Friday movie release. Now that the show is on Fridays… what counts as the “next show after the movie release”? > Acknowledging the new movie on the Friday show the very same Friday as the movie release is jumping on too quickly. So, fans that went to the Thursday screening will just have to accept that the show is lagging in timeline. > > The show can certainly lag in timeline a bit more, but if it ignores _Infinity War_ all together… well, then this show sure as hell no longer takes place in the same universe because this new movie is completely unignorable! I thought they’ve acknowledged this show has diverged from the MCU - specifically, there’s no way Stark & the other Avengers wouldn’t know that Phil is really alive, considering he’s been on the news as a wanted terrorist & fugitive a few times, so in the MCU he’s been declared as permanently dead. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/233 "2018-04-27T15:30:09Z")
Phil Coulson, still played by Clark Gregg, will be appearing in _Captain Marvel_. > **[Clark Gregg on Returning for 'Captain Marvel'](https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/clark-gregg-on-returning-captain-marvel/)** > > Phil Coulson will be making his Marvel Cinematic Universe return next year, though it will require \[...\] ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/234 "2018-04-27T15:37:00Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Phil Coulson, still played by Clark Gregg, will be appearing in _Captain Marvel_. > > [Clark Gregg on Returning for 'Captain Marvel'](http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/04/26/clark-gregg-on-returning-captain-marvel/) Which is set in the 1990s. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/235 "2018-04-27T15:50:54Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I thought they’ve acknowledged this show has diverged from the MCU - specifically, there’s no way Stark & the other Avengers wouldn’t know that Phil is really alive, considering he’s been on the news as a wanted terrorist & fugitive a few times, so in the MCU he’s been declared as permanently dead. I think it’s only been established that the films do not and will never acknowledge the T.V. shows but not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/236 "2018-04-28T13:55:05Z")
My guess is that the team will end the season either in an alternate universe or in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/237 "2018-04-28T14:32:37Z")
SuperTalbot! ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/238 "2018-04-29T01:52:03Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > if it ignores _Infinity War_ all together… HA! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! They gave us: > [@](#): > > Mack’s Old Friend Tony: > “Have you been following what’s going on in New York?” > > Daisy: > “I can’t watch the news.” MOST UNDERSTATED ACKNOWLEDGMENT EVER! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/239 "2018-04-29T07:44:38Z")
Its not getting a season 6 apparently. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/240 "2018-04-29T08:15:40Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Its not getting a season 6 apparently. Well that sucks, if true. We’re pretty deep into season 5 in terms of quantity of episodes, I do not see how they can tie everything up with a bow neatly with the remaining ones they have left. It can’t be many. We’re on what, episode 18 or something now? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409.md?page=13)