# Marvel's Agents of SHIELD **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409 "2017-12-02T23:32:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/121 "2018-02-08T15:15:35Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Question: When did those VTOL planes ever exhibit the ability to fly in outer space before? I thought they were just advanced planes with cloaking abilities and cool weaponry and escape vehicles, not spaceships. A couple episodes back CurrentFitz realized that FutureFitz upgraded the Zephyr to fly in space. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/122 "2018-02-08T15:19:59Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Seeing Zombie Yo-Yo was definitely off-putting, but why didn’t she just yell “It’s not the real me! I’m a clone! Look at my arms for proof!” when Mack was freaking out about her? Surely he’s seen enough shit to think “You know, that’s plausible”. Armless Yo-Yo was as broken as could be. She had nothing left - no power, no hope. So it’s in character that she wouldn’t do anything while Kasius was holding her. And of course, she is the real Yo-Yo, just the one who was captured by the Kree decades ago and who is constantly being murdered & resurrected by them. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/123 "2018-02-08T15:58:28Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Armless Yo-Yo was as broken as could be. She had nothing left - no power, no hope. So it’s in character that she wouldn’t do anything while Kasius was holding her. And of course, she is the real Yo-Yo, just the one who was captured by the Kree decades ago and who is constantly being murdered & resurrected by them. The real Yo-Yo who still loves Mack and knows him and wants what’s best for him. She knows that he’ll stand and fight to guard her honor, but it’s a hopeless cause. She was better served to lie and sacrifice herself in the hopes that he would understand and bugger off than to simply sit there helpless while he needlessly sacrifices his life ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/124 "2018-02-08T16:03:29Z")
She already lived past that moment, so she knew Mack would live anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/125 "2018-02-08T19:43:39Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > She already lived past that moment, so she knew Mack would live anyway. Yeah, live with a shit ton of injuries and a bashed-in face. Saying something, _anything_ could deter him from fighting and have him just run straight away. If she knows her past self is going there anyway it would only help bring verisimilitude to the “I’m not real I’m a clone” statement ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/126 "2018-02-08T19:51:27Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > If she knows her past self is going there anyway it would only help bring verisimilitude to the “I’m not real I’m a clone” statement I’m not sure a physically, mentally, and spiritually broken person is necessarily capable of coming up with and acting on those kinds of trade offs. Besides, so what if it’s a clone — it’s still a living clone _of Yo-Yo_. Mac’s not gonna say “oh, well, who cares about you then”. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/127 "2018-02-08T20:15:09Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Saying something, _anything_ could deter him from fighting and have him just run straight away. If she knows her past self is going there anyway it would only help bring verisimilitude to the “I’m not real I’m a clone” statement She may know from experience that any of those things cause more suffering and end up with the same results. It’s hard to argue against someone who’s lived through a seemingly endless time loop. Kasius’ death pretty closely mirrors Coulson’s death at the hands of Loki. I think it was filmed from the other side, perhaps to emphasize the mirror aspect of it. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/128 "2018-02-08T22:42:36Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > She may know from experience that any of those things cause more suffering and end up with the same results. It’s hard to argue against someone who’s lived through a seemingly endless time loop. But doesn’t Yo-Yo only live through it once? She goes to the future, meets her future self, goes back to some point after she initially left, then lives forward (via multiple resurrections) to see herself again. She hasn’t actually experienced any single point in time more than once - although she can theorize that it must be a loop (and Fitz may expound on that). Also, it occurs to me that Fitz is the only person who is going to exist more than once in the timeline. What happens to his frozen self if Daisy doesn’t blow up the Earth? ETA: except Yo-Yo, I guess - but still wondering what happens to the Fitz-sicle. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/129 "2018-02-09T16:13:10Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > But doesn’t Yo-Yo only live through it once? She goes to the future, meets her future self, goes back to some point after she initially left, then lives forward (via multiple resurrections) to see herself again. > > She hasn’t actually experienced any single point in time more than once - although she can theorize that it must be a loop (and Fitz may expound on that). > > Also, it occurs to me that Fitz is the only person who is going to exist more than once in the timeline. What happens to his frozen self if Daisy doesn’t blow up the Earth? > > ETA: except Yo-Yo, I guess - but still wondering what happens to the Fitz-sicle. Agreed to the first part. She never mentions that meeting herself happens multiple times, she even kinda-sorta speaks against it by saying “I didn’t believe it either when I was standing where you are.” If she was the same Yo-Yo seeing hundreds of other Yo-Yos she probably would have made more allusions to the fact like “I’ve seen this many times before” or something like that. Killing her and resurrecting her didn’t serve the purposes of the time loop, IIRC it was because they used her blood/DNA to make more inhumans. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/130 "2018-02-09T18:29:17Z")
What episode is the current season on, anyway? I’m now watching on Comcast on demand as Netflix only runs through season 4. On demand has season 5 through episode 10. I’m guessing I’m a little behind. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/131 "2018-02-09T18:36:42Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > What episode is the current season on, anyway? I’m now watching on Comcast on demand as Netflix only runs through season 4. On demand has season 5 through episode 10. I’m guessing I’m a little behind. Episode 10 is the most recent one. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/132 "2018-02-22T17:11:16Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > He’s a decisive bad ass now. I wonder if they’ll ever remember he had brain damage back in season 1? He mentioned it like 4 episodes ago or so. In “rewind,” he told his captors that between his time in the framework and his prior brain injury that it was possible he’d gotten rid of his friends and not remembered doing it. Just caught up on everything last night. Very satisfying ending to an arc that was starting to drag out a bit long. Future Yo-Yo being the “seer” would have been literally my last guess, after listing every other character that had ever been on the show. Even including a CGI-resurrected Bill Paxton as Garret. (My front-runner was Raina.) But wow, was that well done. I thought Kasius’s descent into madness was done well too, considering what he’d been through and how he’d failed again and again, beaten by beings he saw as inferior. Good riddance to Deke, though he did make me chuckle now and then. I hope we see more of Enoch back in the past. He was a surprisingly fun character. I was kind of shocked that all of the main 7 made it back alive. I was braced for a tragic death. I’m still kind of wary, with Fitzsimmons professing they’ll be together forever. That’s the mark of death in a Whedon show. (I know, I know, Joss isn’t involved, but Jed and Mo are no strangers to the trope). Then there’s May who seems to have finished her character arc, and Coulson who’s infected with a black slime and prophesized to die, and Mack and Yo-yo with similar prophecies hanging over them, PLUS the love angle. Not to mention Daisy, who is likely to go the heroic sacrifice route when she wakes up to prevent the world from exploding… I’m just very tense all around. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/133 "2018-02-22T20:34:12Z")
A death, when it happens, is obviously going to be Mack or Fitz/Simmons, probably Fitz. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/134 "2018-02-27T08:16:21Z")
When our Yo-Yo met Yo-Yo the seer, I kind of assumed that the latter would ask the former at some point to kill her for good and bring her torment to a merciful end. That would have made for an interesting dramatic moment. Has it been established just how much damage to a body it would take to ensure that the Kree resurrection technology wouldn’t be able to do its stuff? I recall that Tess, for instance, was fairly intact when she was killed. Would splattering the brain all over the walls be sufficient, or would we want to go ahead and set off a bomb to more or less vaporize the body? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/135 "2018-03-02T18:15:01Z")
Just a bump and heads-up that AoS starts up again tonight (Fri Mar 2) at 9:00. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/136 "2018-03-02T18:34:58Z")
Supposedly its building up to a possible series finale. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/137 "2018-03-02T20:07:54Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Supposedly its building up to a possible series finale. They’re making sure that this season’s finale can double as a series finale, just in case. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/138 "2018-03-04T02:27:06Z")
I thought it WAS going to be the season finale, but now we’ve got new issues. I liked the episode, but it’s leaving so much on the table. -since when does General Hale have a daughter that she keeps locked in a basement cell and unleashes her? -so there’s another friendly cyborg, eh? -when will others begin to notice Coulson is seriously sick? There’s more but I’ve spoilered enough. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/139 "2018-03-04T02:55:11Z")
This season’s finale, which is still 8-10 episodes away, will be made to double as a series finale. The assassin daughter with a fascination with Daisy is bizarre scripting. Not sure what the heck they were thinking but young female warriors with exotic weapons is not what this snow needs. I assume she’s some sort of inhuman but it’s not clear what her powers are. Why was Yo-Yo even fighting at normal speed? She should just have disabled all the attackers at super-speed, not just taken their weapons. The agent turning them in, then flipping is also fairly sloppy scripting. Is the Kree beacon actually going to attract the Kree? How else did all the Kree get here? How many like Enoch and Noah are hanging around? Are they in the habbit of existing for 1000’s of years and then sacrificing themselves? Zima?! That’s harsh. Why take an easily identifiable vehicle like a VW Microbus? These guys suck at being stealthy. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-agents-of-shield/803409/140 "2018-03-04T04:40:50Z")
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