# Marvel's Avengers - early reviews seem positive \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 20, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406 "2012-04-20T13:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/241 "2012-05-08T16:12:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No need for spoilers on this, I think, as it’s in a trailer… > Did you miss the line: “You people are so petty, and tiny” Well, tiny is a purely objective observation… dude’s huge. ---
**Author:** ![Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Christopher_Robin_Davies)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/242 "2012-05-08T16:18:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No need for spoilers on this, I think, as it’s in a trailer… > Did you miss the line: “You people are so petty, and tiny” I think Thor respects humanity in one sense and disrespects humanity in another. He believes that individual humans have dignity, that they have no duty to worship him or any other Asgardian, that neither he nor any other god have the right to force their will on humanity or to kill humans for yuks, and so forth. He disrespects humanity in that he thinks human civilization on balance is foolish and warlike and apt to cause a lot of unnecessary suffering and thus should not be trusted with certain Asgardian magic/tech. It is hard to argue with him about that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/243 "2012-05-08T16:45:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No need for spoilers on this, I think, as it’s in a trailer… > Did you miss the line: “You people are so petty, and tiny” I may have; as I said, I think the problem may have been as much or more with the actors as with the script. Each of the heroes has strengths and a flaw: Iron Man: strong, flies, missiles/obnoxious Hulk: strong, jumps high/out of control Thor: strong, flies, returning missile/arrogant? Captain America: strong, flies, returning missile/anachronism Iron Man and Hulk’s flaws got central stage and were well-conveyed, in my opinion. Thor’s and Captain America’s flaws were, in contrast, not nearly so well-conveyed. ---
**Author:** ![BunnyTVS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BunnyTVS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BunnyTVS)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/244 "2012-05-08T17:17:41Z")
[quote=“galen\_ubal, post:224, topic:619406”] Third time, towards the end where Tony and Pepper are looking at the wire frame of the tower. There’s a quick flash of an area with Cap’s shield beside it; then they pull back and you can see a Quinjet in the tower > [@Bakhesh](#): > > Did anyone pick up on the slightly odd line of Loki dialogue half way through the film…? > > ..when Loki calls Black Widow a ‘mewling quim’? Seemed a bit out of place, seeing as quim is British slang for vagina. Caused a bit of sniggering in the cinema when he came out with this one. So… Does that mean Black Widow flies a quimjet? Oh and the real reason for posting is due to a co-workers [friend.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139505/Iron-Man-Mark-Pearson-builds-amazing-replica-suit-fibre-glass-cardboard.html?ITO=1490) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/245 "2012-05-08T23:27:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I may have; as I said, I think the problem may have been as much or more with the actors as with the script. > > Each of the heroes has strengths and a flaw: > > Iron Man: strong, flies, missiles/obnoxious > Hulk: strong, jumps high/out of control > Thor: strong, flies, returning missile/arrogant? > Captain America: strong, flies, returning missile/anachronism > > Iron Man and Hulk’s flaws got central stage and were well-conveyed, in my opinion. Thor’s and Captain America’s flaws were, in contrast, not nearly so well-conveyed. The problem is the huge cast. There simply wasn’t eough time for a lot of character development. The first hour was already threatening to drag. fifteen minutes of Steve Rodgers fumbling with an iphone or staring nonplussed at a rock band would have wrecked the pace. The main point of the film was a bunch of people in bizarre costumes whaling on each other, not deep character study. I thought the movie had just the right amount of comic book wangst. Also, Thor’s arrogance was dealt with adequately in the Thor movie. (spoiler for Thor) Remember, he led an unprovoked attack on the frost giants, risking the fragile peace. For this Odin stripped him of his powers, denied him his kingship, and exiled him to earth. There he had to learn humility, finally being willing to sacrifice himself to stop the destruction of a small town. He returned to Asgard chastened and agreed Odin should retain the throne. The main worry with Thor in the Avengers wasn’t arrogance but that he had his own agenda, not hostile to earth, but not bound to it either. Also, Captain America can’t fly. ---
**Author:** ![Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Christopher_Robin_Davies)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/246 "2012-05-08T23:44:38Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > The main worry with Thor in the Avengers wasn’t arrogance but that he had his own agenda, not hostile to earth, but not bound to it either. I think Thor’s agenda was very much bound to earth. He wanted to take the cube away as much for the sake of humanity as for any other reason. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/247 "2012-05-08T23:48:43Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Also, Captain America can’t fly. He leapt out of an airplane without a parachute. Okay, maybe that’s not exactly flying, but the man can FALL like nobody’s business. And I don’t mean to be rude, but you’re not going to persuade me that my opinion of the film’s representation of Thor’s or CA’s flaws is incorrect. Those characters just **felt** flatter and less interesting than Hulk or Iron Man (or, for that matter, Black Widow or Fury). Again, it may well have been the actors who lack the chops of Ruffalo or Downey; I dunno exactly. All I know is that they came across as much less compelling characters. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/248 "2012-05-08T23:53:56Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He leapt out of an airplane without a parachute. Okay, maybe that’s not exactly flying, but the man can FALL like nobody’s business. He strapped on a parachute in that scene. When he told BW that, “There’s only one God, ma’am. And I’m pretty sure He doesn’t dress like that.” he was clipping the harness around his chest. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/249 "2012-05-08T23:54:10Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He leapt out of an airplane without a parachute. Okay, maybe that’s not exactly flying, but the man can FALL like nobody’s business. He was strapping himself into a parachute while Natasha was telling advising him against going out after Tony and Thor, as he responded with his “There’s only one God” line. The drag of the parachute added to having to then catch up on foot is the reason Thor and Iron Man got to have a nice lengthy battle before he showed up. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/250 "2012-05-08T23:57:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No need for spoilers on this, I think, as it’s in a trailer… > Did you miss the line: “You people are so petty, and tiny” Bear in mind, at that point he (and the others) are being influenced by Loki - he’s stirring them all up, acting through the spear. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/251 "2012-05-09T00:00:08Z")
> [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](#): > > I think Thor’s agenda was very much bound to earth. He wanted to take the cube away as much for the sake of humanity as for any other reason. But Fury and SHIELD wanted to keep the cube for earth, so we could defend ourselves against cosmic threats. Hey could we move this to the openn spoiler thread? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/252 "2012-05-09T00:43:26Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > But Fury and SHIELD wanted to keep the cube for earth, so we could defend ourselves against cosmic threats. > > Hey could we move this to the openn spoiler thread? If there’s something you want to discuss openly, use the “+” quote button on the post or posts you want to refer to and you can go across threads. I’m not going to move one person’s post at a different person’s request. **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/253 "2012-05-09T00:48:33Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > But Fury and SHIELD wanted to keep the cube for earth, so we could defend ourselves against cosmic threats. > > Hey could we move this to the openn spoiler thread? I quoted the exchange over there. 'Cause I’m bored and felt like being helpful. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/254 "2012-05-09T10:03:44Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Bear in mind, at that point he (and the others) are being influenced by Loki - he’s stirring them all up, acting through the spear. Which is why it specifically addresses the issue raised (my bolding) [QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] **when he let his guard down** , it was clear that he thinks of humans as children [/QUOTE] It’s an id thing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/255 "2012-05-09T11:08:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I am well aware of the term, and I’m a 'Merkin. Of course, I also read a lot of Victorian porn. Surely if anyone would recognize a quim, it’s a merkin. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/256 "2012-05-09T17:25:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > He leapt out of an airplane without a parachute. Okay, maybe that’s not exactly flying, but the man can FALL like nobody’s business… “This isn’t flying. It’s falling… with style!” - Buzz Lightyear > [@Gyrate](#): > > Surely if anyone would recognize a quim, it’s a merkin. 😃 I knew THAT was inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/257 "2012-05-09T20:06:36Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > “This isn’t flying. It’s falling… with style!” - Buzz Lightyear I thought that was Woody - “That’s not flying, that’s falling with style!” ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/258 "2012-05-09T20:08:48Z")
You’re both right. Woody said it first Buzz reiterated later in the movie ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/259 "2012-05-09T20:38:55Z")
I hope Buzz Lightyear is in _The Avengers II._ ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406/260 "2012-05-09T20:49:58Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > You’re both right. > > Woody said it first > > Buzz reiterated later in the movie A movie written in part by… Joss Whedon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-avengers-early-reviews-seem-positive-edited-title/619406.md?page=14)