# Marvel's The Gifted **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 3, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887 "2017-10-03T17:28:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/61 "2017-10-18T15:00:28Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > They could’ve used Sunspot if they wanted to No, they couldn’t. He’s tied up in the New Mutants movie, played by Henry Zaga. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/62 "2017-10-18T15:24:16Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > In the context of the series … what does the collar do, exactly? I thought initially it was a “power dampener” of some sort. It doesn’t make a lot of sense, seems to just be a plot device to allow mutants to be controlled without killing them. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/63 "2017-10-18T16:08:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Are Thunderbird and Eclipse actual established mutants or simply replacements because they can’t use Warpath and Sunspot? They don’t appear to be limiting themselves to only one X-continuity. The movies’ continuity is a mess, but the _First Class_ series may or may not be in continuity with _Deadpool_ (and possibly forthcoming _X-Force_). _Legion_ is off in its own continuity, despite Professor X apparently being a thing there. _The Gifted_ will apparently reference Magneto, but no indication if it fits into the movie continuity. And _Logan_ is an open question – is it the endgame of the _First Class_ series? of _The Gifted_ series? or of the original _X-Men_ movie trilogy? or none of the above? _The Gifted_ is reusing Blink and Warpath/Thunderbird who were in _Days of Future Past_ not too long ago. The Colossus in DoFP isn’t the Colossus in _Deadpool_. Teenage Negasonic Warhead in _Deadpool_ has most of Cannonball’s powerset. And Sunspot in DoFP doesn’t seem to be the same Sunspot coming up in _New Mutants_. There’s no dispute about character rights, as with other characters between Fox and Marvel/Disney; they could have used Sunspot in _The Gifted_ if they wanted to. But it would have made no sense – this isn’t a New Mutants story, and the duplication of power sets would not have added to the show. I’m not sure what to say about the assumption that the superstrong rich kid from Brazil could be the same character as the impoverished street kid from Columbia who shoots light beams. Is this some kind of “well, they all look alike” thing? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/64 "2017-10-18T16:17:32Z")
It has nothing to do with who has the rights, it has to do with separation of properties. It’s the same reason the Bat characters save for Batman himself were used sparingly in Justice League and JLU. It’s the same reason that the only MCU movie character who’s appeared in any of the TV series is a brief appearance by Fury in Agents of SHIELD, and their sparing with the references to them. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/65 "2017-10-18T16:34:25Z")
Blink and Warpath/Thunderbird are both in DoFP and _The Gifted_. Colossus is in both DoFP and _Deadpool_. Caliban is in both _Age of Apocalypse_ and _Logan_. There are three or four separate continuities in that list. They’re not separating the properties. In fact, they [specifically discuss](http://www.cbr.com/fox-gifted-separate-x-men/) shared characters between the “streams”. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/66 "2017-10-18T17:06:21Z")
Days of Future Past came out 3 years ago. The New Mutants movie is coming out at the tail end of this season. It’s kind of impossible to conflict with a movie that isn’t actually in theatres. Also, since you’re claiming they’re obviously different characters: [Eclipse was the alias used by Roberto in Age of X](http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Roberto_da_Costa_(Earth-11326)), while involved with a similar group to the one he’s with here. And [Sunspot was in DoFP with Blink and Thunderbird](http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Roberto_da_Costa_(Earth-10005)) - with powers beyond strength, FTR - so it would make sense for him to be playing Eclipse’s role here…if not for the fact that he’s already tied up in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/67 "2017-10-18T17:11:53Z")
And if not for the fact that they’ve specifically marketed Eclipse as a new character created up for the series. But apparently there can only be one Latin American mutant character, so they’re obviously the same character. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/68 "2017-10-18T17:31:20Z")
Let’s see, what’s more likely? That, in order to not screw up their own marketing, Fox disallowed the use of Sunspot, and, since the writers had intended to use a Latino character, they created a new Latino, gave him an overlapping powerset, and one of Sunspot’s other aliases. Or that they’re totally allowed to use Sunspot, despite him being a major character in a movie coming out early next year, but didn’t want to, and the fact that the Original Character Do Not Steal they created was a Latino with some of Sunspots powers and one of his other codenames is totally, totally a coincidence, and it’s only the racism of everyone but you which makes anyone think otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/69 "2017-10-18T20:42:26Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > It’s the same reason that the only MCU movie character who’s appeared in any of the TV series is a brief appearance by Fury in Agents of SHIELD, and their sparing with the references to them. Sif, one of Thor’s Asgardian cohorts in the movies (played by Jaimie Alexander), actually has significant screen time in two episodes of Agents of Shield. And there’s Peggy Carter, who was in a couple of the Captain America movies, has a couple of cameos in AoS episodes, and had her own TV series. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/70 "2017-12-02T20:48:05Z")
Anyone still watching this? I’m enjoying it quite a bit, although as I said I’m an easy mark for superhero stuff and X-Men stuff in particular. The latest episode addressed the connection between the Strucker twins and their comic-book counterpart, [Fenris](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenris_%28comics%29). And it wasn’t at all what I expected. Turns out Lauren and Andy _aren’t_ intended to be a very loose adaptation of Andrea and Andreas, after all… Instead, their world actually did include twins named Andrea and Andreas von Strucker who were supervillains calling themselves Fenris – but this was many decades ago. Andreas is the Strucker children’s great-grandfather. At the same time it was revealed that Reed Strucker was also a mutant, but his father prevented him from manifesting powers with an experimental treatment to keep Reed from ending up like his grandfather, Andreas. Reed’s father was a mutant as well, but kept his power hidden.I didn’t see any of that coming, and am pretty curious now where they’re going with this. They made a point of emphasizing that the Strucker kids are unusual, even for mutants. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/71 "2017-12-02T22:05:01Z")
I think the show is now settling into a pretty good groove. Introducing the characters took a bit but it is now working. Though I don’t like the drug cartel/ex-girl friend thread at all. I hope that ends soon. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/72 "2017-12-02T22:13:43Z")
re: **tim314** Yeah, I thought that was an interesting development. Not totally surprising, since both kids were mutants I had a feeling we would learn that one or both of the parents had some latent mutant powers or something. Based on the grandfather’s warnings it sure looks like they’re setting up the brother and sister to be a repeat of their ‘Fenris’ ancestors, at least in terms of their powers. Note the ominous shot of them holding hands at the end of the episode,… ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/73 "2017-12-02T22:23:43Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Sif, one of Thor’s Asgardian cohorts in the movies (played by Jaimie Alexander), actually has significant screen time in two episodes of Agents of Shield. > > And there’s Peggy Carter, who was in a couple of the Captain America movies, has a couple of cameos in AoS episodes, and had her own TV series. Didn’t Maria Hill also cameo on AoS? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887/74 "2017-12-02T23:58:00Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Didn’t Maria Hill also cameo on AoS? Yep, also Dum Dum Dugan and Howard Stark had appearances in _AoS_ and/or _Agent Carter_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marvels-the-gifted/797887.md?page=3)