# Mass Casualty Shooting at a nightclub in Orlando. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178 "2016-06-12T09:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/361 "2016-06-23T00:29:25Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > This morning I saw that the conspiratards have, predictably, crawled out from under their rocks and are already spinning a false flag narrative. Is there ANY such thing as a mass shooting that’s actually real, in their world? ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/362 "2016-06-23T01:19:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We’ve got many, many threads on the subject, a number of which are live at the moment. Did you want some examples? > > “The mark” being “spouting blatant nonsense”, yes. > > Wow, this “political correctness” guy sounds like a real jerk. I’m sure glad I never had him as a teacher. Or is it a book? Could you cite some relevant passages from the Gospel According to Political Correctness? > > Or is it just a giant strawman you’ve built? > > Sure he could have. And/or by some other factors. I think we’re in agreement on that. It’s your bizarre “PC means you can’t say stuff!” assertions that are where we differ. I believe he pledged allegiance to ISIS and Hezbullah in the same call. One Shia and on Sunni and two groups who would never go bowling together. Dude was mostly just a sick nut with no political agenda. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/363 "2016-06-23T02:01:02Z")
I’ve been wracking my brain trying to figure out what ISIS and Hezbollah and Shia and Sunni could possibly have in common, but gosh for the life of me I can’t imagine what it could be. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/364 "2016-06-23T02:03:56Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’ve been wracking my brain trying to figure out what ISIS and Hezbollah and Shia and Sunni could possibly have in common, but gosh for the life of me I can’t imagine what it could be. Say more here. I’m dying to know how you spin his complete lack of coherence as to MENA Muslim politics as evidence that he was primarily motivated by Islamic ideology. He cared so much about political Islam that he was willing to sacrifice his life and kill 50 people, but he didn’t care enough to learn that ISIS is fighting Hezbollah? Is that it? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/365 "2016-06-23T02:09:19Z")
No, no, no. Don’t say “Islamic.” Say “white Christian cultural colonialism.” Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/366 "2016-06-23T02:10:28Z")
Don’t let facts get in the way of your worldview. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/367 "2016-06-23T02:40:05Z")
He was likely motivated by self loathing that he was gay. Islam is just a cover. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/368 "2016-06-23T03:00:12Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Don’t let facts get in the way of your worldview. You mean the fact that he pledged support to competing enemies of the United States and then went on to commit mass murder of US citizens on their behalf? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/369 "2016-06-23T03:01:56Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > He was likely motivated by self loathing that he was gay. Islam is just a cover. Yes, lets ignore multiple Muslims who turned him in for subversive behavior. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/370 "2016-06-23T16:33:50Z")
A man has come forward claiming to have been Mateen’s lover. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wlMwc1c0HRQ/hqdefault.jpg "Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMwc1c0HRQ) > [@](#): > > “Omar Mateen, the Muslim gunman who committed the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando, was “100 percent” gay and bore a grudge against Latino men because he felt used by them, according to a man who says he was his lover for two months. > > “I’ve cried like you have no idea. But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism. In my opinion he did it for revenge,” he told Univision Noticias andhor Maria Elena Salinas in an exclusive interview in English and Spanish on Tuesday. > > He said Mateen was angry and upset after a man he had sex with later revealed he was infected with the HIV virus. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/371 "2016-06-23T23:29:52Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > A man has come forward claiming to have been Mateen’s lover. > > [https://youtu.be/wlMwc1c0HRQ](https://youtu.be/wlMwc1c0HRQ) Would that be revealed in his autopsy? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/372 "2016-06-24T00:02:34Z")
Just because the two had sex doesn’t meant that Mateen was necessarily infected by the encounter, so that wouldn’t necessarily disprove the story. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/373 "2016-06-24T01:00:54Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Just because the two had sex doesn’t meant that Mateen was necessarily infected by the encounter, so that wouldn’t necessarily disprove the story. true. What I meant to ask is, would the autopsy report reveal it as part of the report. Or even test for it for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/374 "2016-06-24T05:11:30Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > A man has come forward claiming to have been Mateen’s lover. > > [https://youtu.be/wlMwc1c0HRQ](https://youtu.be/wlMwc1c0HRQ) WTF? How did that Simpsons link get in my post? It’s a total non sequitur. It must have been a copy and paste error. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/375 "2016-06-24T10:57:37Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Would that be revealed in his autopsy? Only if he had detectable virus levels. Not everyone who has sex with a carrier is infected. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/376 "2016-06-24T11:00:26Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > This morning I saw that the conspiratards have, predictably, crawled out from under their rocks and are already spinning a false flag narrative. Oh, they did that right away. As soon as I heard about the shooting out of curiosity I googled for it, and people were _already_ claiming it was a “false flag”. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/377 "2016-06-24T11:32:49Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > A man has come forward claiming to have been Mateen’s lover. > > [https://youtu.be/wlMwc1c0HRQ](https://youtu.be/wlMwc1c0HRQ) Here’s the link that should have been in that post. I don’t know why that other one is in there. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXN7GqcD41o) ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/378 "2016-06-24T12:17:59Z")
The lover was in disguise and his voice distorted at his own request, and the videos explain it explicitly. Yet the comments say things like “how can you believe a guy so ugly!” and “dude is a fake, that looks like a mask!” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/379 "2016-06-24T13:26:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Oh, they did that right away. As soon as I heard about the shooting out of curiosity I googled for it, and people were _already_ claiming it was a “false flag”. It’s a _bleeping_ industry: [500+ “Orlando Shooting Hoax” videos in less than a week](https://youtu.be/BtGEF9q6TAw) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/380 "2016-06-24T15:50:46Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > It’s a _bleeping_ industry: > > [500+ “Orlando Shooting Hoax” videos in less than a week](https://youtu.be/BtGEF9q6TAw) Read some of the comments under that video. Some people are saying that some of the last names of the people involved indicate that it was a hoax. For example, there’s a doctor with the last name “Loobee” which is pronounced “lube”, and a injured victim who’s last name is “Colon”. Get it? Lube. Colon. A gay nightclub? :smack: These people are idiots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=20)