# Mass Casualty Shooting at a nightclub in Orlando. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178 "2016-06-12T09:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/61 "2016-06-12T17:26:30Z")
**truthseeker2** :Your post is hate speech against another religion and is also out of line for this forum. Do not post anything more in this thread. > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Please don’t equate Islam with other religions. 99% of killings happening in name of religion happen in the name of Islam. > > In 21st century, all other religions except Islam coexist largely peacefully > > Islam = hate. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/62 "2016-06-12T17:27:50Z")
**Everyone** Let’s drop the discussion about the nature of Islam in this thread and keep it to a discussion of the facts of the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/63 "2016-06-12T17:28:08Z")
Historically, the Terrorists in that region of the country haven’t been outsiders though. [CITE.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gkz-TaSRXc) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/64 "2016-06-12T17:35:23Z")
This is just so awful. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/65 "2016-06-12T17:36:42Z")
This is troubling. Let’s hope it’s not related. “Man with weapons and possible explosives arrested, was going to L.A. gay pride parade, sources say” > **[Man with weapons was headed to L.A. gay pride parade](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html)** > > Authorities on Sunday were trying to determine the intentions of an Indiana man with a cache of weapons, ammunition and explosive-making materials in his car and apparent plans to attend the L.A. > [@](#): > > Authorities in Santa Monica found possible explosives as well as assault rifles and ammunition Sunday in the car of a man who told them he was in town for the L.A. Pride festival in West Hollywood, a law enforcement source said. > > Early Sunday, Santa Monica police received a call of a suspected prowler near Olympic Boulevard and 11th Street. Patrol officers responded and encountered an individual who told officers he was waiting for a friend. That led officers to inspect the car and find several weapons and a lot of ammunition as well as tannerite, an ingredient that could be used to create a pipe bomb. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/66 "2016-06-12T17:38:54Z")
I’m very glad that my friend in Orlando was not caught in the massacre. She is now asking if there is anywhere that is safe. She spent her career working for a gun manufacturer, so in addition to the shock and horror, guilt is also bothering her. I figure that the right to publicly promote hatred in the guise of religion combined with a right to firearms and high capacity clips is a toxic mixture. Folks, if you want to be free, you need to get your act together as a nation and recognize that freedom requires reasonable limitations. Unfortunately, many of you will post condolences while at the same time cover your eyes and ears to protect your sensibilities from the elephant in the corner of the room. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/67 "2016-06-12T17:39:34Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > This is troubling. Let’s hope it’s not related. > “Man with weapons and possible explosives arrested, was going to L.A. gay pride parade, sources say” > [Man with weapons was headed to L.A. gay pride parade](http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html) CNN is reporting on that now. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/68 "2016-06-12T17:41:56Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > This is troubling. Let’s hope it’s not related. > “Man with weapons and possible explosives arrested, was going to L.A. gay pride parade, sources say” > [Man with weapons was headed to L.A. gay pride parade](http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html) I was just going to post this. I guess June isn’t just gay pride month, it’s also gay massacre month. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/69 "2016-06-12T17:42:47Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Please don’t equate Islam with other religions. 99% of killings happening in name of religion happen in the name of Islam. > > In 21st century, all other religions except Islam coexist largely peacefully > > Islam = hate. What about Dr. George Tiller? And the people killed in the Norwegian shootings? “Coexist peacefully” my arse. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/70 "2016-06-12T17:45:13Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > My speculation is that he will turn out to be a gay Muslim who was repressed by his own community and this was his way of lashing out. I have no evidence to back this up, just a wild ass guess. I saw a link on another board stating that he had been briefly married to a woman, who left him when he became abusive. I’m going to keep any further speculation to myself until rumors are confirmed or denied. There are reports that someone was apprehended in Los Angeles, headed to their Pride Festival with an arsenal. Whether it’s related in any way is unknown. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![DeepLiquid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deepliquid/32/14893_2.png) [@DeepLiquid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeepLiquid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/71 "2016-06-12T17:46:46Z")
This is so awful, I am just heartbroken. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/72 "2016-06-12T17:47:15Z")
Perhaps we should just use the term “religious terrorism” as that would cover all these acts and any committed by non-Islamics in the name of their religion too. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/73 "2016-06-12T17:51:27Z")
Saw a FB picture of people lined up to donate blood for the victims in the hospital. The post said that the ban on gays donating was being lifted. No idea if that is true. I hope it is. There’s not much else that people can to do help right now. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/74 "2016-06-12T17:52:03Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I’m very glad that my friend in Orlando was not caught in the massacre. She is now asking if there is anywhere that is safe. She spent her career working for a gun manufacturer, so in addition to the shock and horror, guilt is also bothering her. > > I figure that the right to publicly promote hatred in the guise of religion combined with a right to firearms and high capacity clips is a toxic mixture. Folks, if you want to be free, you need to get your act together as a nation and recognize that freedom requires reasonable limitations. Unfortunately, many of you will post condolences while at the same time cover your eyes and ears to protect your sensibilities from the elephant in the corner of the room. The elephant in the room? Over 300 million people in this country have access to firearms. Over 300 million hear the craziest stuff or read about it on the Internet. A tiny fraction do these large crimes. How do you screen for that fraction of people that this toxic mix makes dangerous without causing larger problems? If there was a known solution with known consequences people would implement it. Governments with lots of power have killed a million times what this individual did. So is the correct answer to change the relative power between citizen and state? It’s tragic but with modern technology and imperfect systems of government what’s the best solution? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/75 "2016-06-12T17:53:55Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I was just going to post this. I guess June isn’t just gay pride month, it’s also gay massacre month. They’ll have to dramatically increase security. LGBT events are a target rich environment for Islamic terrorists. Not just in the US but worldwide. How many events are scheduled for Gay pride month? A handful? Dozens? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/76 "2016-06-12T17:53:56Z")
**Annie-Xmas** I’ve warned **truthseeker2** and asked that we drop this part of the discussion. No warning issued, but let’s move on from this tangent. > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > What about Dr. George Tiller? And the people killed in the Norwegian shootings? > > “Coexist peacefully” my arse. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/77 "2016-06-12T17:54:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Bombs work as well. So do chemical agents. And rubber bands. Don’t forget rubber bands. But of the thousands of things that can be used to kill other humans, today’s fun was brought by over-the-counter machines (with warranties) built specifically for the purpose. It’s a hell of a lot harder to build a “successful” WMD (works, doesn’t’ kill the maker, has desired effect) than it is to walk into a store and say, “Gimme one of those, and a thousand rounds to go with it.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/78 "2016-06-12T17:56:47Z")
N/m ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/79 "2016-06-12T17:58:50Z")
How presidential: Trump tweets: ‘Really bad shooting in Orlando’ He’s like that Captain Obvious guy on Facebook who posts news everyone else already knows about. Obama is about to say something hopefully a bit more presidential: > **[President Obama on the Tragic Shooting in Orlando](https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/06/12/president-obama-tragic-shooting-orlando)** > > Watch President Obama's statements on the tragic shooting that took place in Orlando, Florida. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/80 "2016-06-12T18:03:04Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > And rubber bands. Don’t forget rubber bands. > > But of the thousands of things that can be used to kill other humans, today’s fun was brought by over-the-counter machines (with warranties) built specifically for the purpose. It’s a hell of a lot harder to build a “successful” WMD (works, doesn’t’ kill the maker, has desired effect) than it is to walk into a store and say, “Gimme one of those, and a thousand rounds to go with it.” What’s your point? I can go buy a gun today and thousands of rounds. It’s not hard. The thousands of guns for sale in my little city aren’t out shooting people up. People do that. People with messed up minds. That’s what needs fixing. Is your solution prohibition? How has that worked for drugs, alcohol, prostitution? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=5)