# Mass Casualty Shooting at a nightclub in Orlando. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178 "2016-06-12T09:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/81 "2016-06-12T18:06:03Z")
And now it’s revealed that the shooter had publicly announced his support for ISIS. Ain’t this a fun day? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/82 "2016-06-12T18:06:53Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The elephant in the room? Over 300 million people in this country have access to firearms. Over 300 million hear the craziest stuff or read about it on the Internet. A tiny fraction do these large crimes. How do you screen for that fraction of people that this toxic mix makes dangerous without causing larger problems? **If there was a known solution with known consequences people would implement it.** [No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.](http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/83 "2016-06-12T18:08:44Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Is your solution prohibition? Despite accusations, I’m not going to turn this into yet another pointless gun debate. In _ **this** _ case… a powerful, high rate-of-fire weapon was what killed 50 people and injured (probably with more fatalities to come) another 50+. Maybe you can rationalize why such weapons are allowed in Joe Citz’ hands without the slightest real need or justification, but I don’t really care to hear the argument. ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/84 "2016-06-12T18:08:51Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Body count is now 50 or more; it’s being called the worst mass killing in US history. (Probably qualified by single-shooter, single-incident.) > > Yeah, sorting out an Islamic shooter in a gay nightclub in the Trump quadrant of 2016 is going to keep all the talk shows going for years. > > Jesus, people, what are we doing to ourselves? I don’t like this called the worst mass shooting in US history ! This is making light of all the other mass shooting we had ! This has the largest number of people of killed . Every mass shooting was tragic and horrible no matter how many innocent people were killed in cold blood ! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/85 "2016-06-12T18:10:39Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > And rubber bands. Don’t forget rubber bands. > > But of the thousands of things that can be used to kill other humans, today’s fun was brought by over-the-counter machines (with warranties) built specifically for the purpose. It’s a hell of a lot harder to build a “successful” WMD (works, doesn’t’ kill the maker, has desired effect) than it is to walk into a store and say, “Gimme one of those, and a thousand rounds to go with it.” > **[Terrorists Are Turning To Guns More Often In U.S. Attacks](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/terrorists-are-turning-to-guns-more-often-in-u-s-attacks/)** > > The gunman who entered a gay nightclub in Orlando early Sunday — killing at least 49 people and injuring 53 others in the worst mass shooting in U.S. history -… 538 on the analysis of domestic terrorist types. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/86 "2016-06-12T18:11:55Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > [No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.](http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131) That’s nice. But ignores a large of the world and recent history. I’d take a few random shootings over Germany’s ovens or Stalin’s gulags. I hear in Mexico that the cartels are quite ruthless. Might be able to see some of their handiwork if not squeamish and can find a gore site. Violent crime either individual or state sanctioned is not unique to the US. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/87 "2016-06-12T18:15:42Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > [No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.](http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131) Yeah, cute. What about the 130 people killed by ISIS at the nightclub shooting in Paris 8 months ago? Are France’s gun laws too lax? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/88 "2016-06-12T18:17:23Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > I don’t like this called the worst mass shooting in US history ! This is making light of all the other mass shooting we had ! This has the largest number of people of killed . Every mass shooting was tragic and horrible no matter how many innocent people were killed in cold blood ! I agree, but the media can’t fart without finding superlatives to describe it. That’s what happens when news coverage is a gang fight among thousands. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/89 "2016-06-12T18:18:40Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Yeah, cute. What about the 130 people killed at the nightclub shooting in Paris 8 months ago? Are France’s gun laws too lax? Did the terrorists in France buy their guns from the local Gunz R Us? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/90 "2016-06-12T18:23:40Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > 538 on the analysis of domestic terrorist types. Interesting, but I am not sure it’s a service to differentiate this event as ‘terrorism’, as if that somehow makes the casualties worse or unworse or whatever. Many of these events from Whitman on fit the definition of terrorism, but most come down to one loon (whether chemical, biological or theological) who decides to load up and mow down. Even the ones that describe themselves as terrorists are just nutbags with delusions any real movement would let them within a mile of a real cadre. Quick, list the American “terrorists” who were anything but solo loons or a pair of reinforcing loons, no matter which snake-ridden flag they claimed to uphold? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/91 "2016-06-12T18:23:54Z")
Obama live: [- YouTube](https://youtu.be/7wCQDVdPq3I?t=57m18s) ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/92 "2016-06-12T18:25:29Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > And now it’s revealed that the shooter had publicly announced his support for ISIS. > > Ain’t this a fun day? Thats the problem with trying to differentiate between hate crime and terrorism. I think it quite likely that Islamic terrorist organizations are outsourcing their terror acts. No longer is an intensive 6 week course on firearms & explosives required. All it takes is bad attitude, nerve and possibly a few clicks on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/93 "2016-06-12T18:25:33Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Did the terrorists in France buy their guns from the local Gunz R Us? No, their guns were illegal. Why, it’s almost as if terrorists intending to shoot up a bunch of innocent people don’t follow the law. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/94 "2016-06-12T18:28:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > How presidential: > > Trump tweets: ‘Really bad shooting in Orlando’ > > He’s like that Captain Obvious guy on Facebook who posts news everyone else already knows about. > > Obama is about to say something hopefully a bit more presidential: > > [President Obama on the Tragic Shooting in Orlando | whitehouse.gov](https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/06/12/president-obama-tragic-shooting-orlando) Oh come on! I hold no brief for Trump but that’s a goddam tweet in response to breaking news, not a quasi-Presidential address to the nation. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/95 "2016-06-12T18:31:41Z")
Isn’t this Gay Pride week too? :mad: ☹ I know my town was planning on having a lot of gay pride events this week. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/96 "2016-06-12T18:36:40Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > No, their guns were illegal. Why, it’s almost as if terrorists intending to shoot up a bunch of innocent people don’t follow the law. Precisely. This has nothing to do with gun laws and everything to do with ISIS who are capable of mounting armed attacks on civilians anywhere in the world, even given the most restrictive gun legislation. Every time these ISIS creeps commit another atrocity I have to wonder, how do they figure this will help them towards their goal, which is presumably their own recognized nation/caliphate in the ME. As far as I can see it only spurs people to ensure their movement is totally annihilated or at least reduced to insignificance. But then I don’t have the terrorist mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/97 "2016-06-12T18:42:15Z")
What exactly makes a gun “high-powered”? I keep hearing this phrase, but I have no idea which guns are high-powered and which aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/98 "2016-06-12T18:43:34Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Precisely. This has nothing to do with gun laws and everything to do with ISIS who are capable of mounting armed attacks on civilians anywhere in the world, even given the most restrictive gun legislation. > > Every time these ISIS creeps commit another atrocity I have to wonder, how do they figure this will help them towards their goal, which is presumably their own recognized nation/caliphate in the ME. As far as I can see it only spurs people to ensure their movement is totally annihilated or at least reduced to insignificance. But then I don’t have the terrorist mindset. What is the existential threat to traditional, tribal values? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/99 "2016-06-12T18:44:09Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Obama live: [https://youtu.be/7wCQDVdPq3I?t=57m18s](https://youtu.be/7wCQDVdPq3I?t=57m18s) He just called it an act of terror and an act of hate so that settles that discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/100 "2016-06-12T18:45:31Z")
[Obama live](https://youtu.be/7wCQDVdPq3I?t=57m18s): > [@](#): > > Today marks the most deadly shooting in American history. The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle. This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a night-club, [pause] and we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be, [pause] and to actively do nothing is a decision as well. [pause] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=6)