# Mass Casualty Shooting at a nightclub in Orlando. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178 "2016-06-12T09:56:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/161 "2016-06-12T23:13:54Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Do you really believe conservatives and Republican’s don’t care if gays get murdered en-masse? I can imagine a number of cons/repubs don’t care, but I believe the majority of them probably do. They may not believe in gay marriage, or transgender restroom issues, but that’s a far cry from being immune to mass murder. I dunno, when the politicians and pundits have been attacking the entire community for literal decades, on the airwaves and in actual halls of power, as child rapists actively trying to destroy Christianity, what are we supposed to think? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/162 "2016-06-12T23:15:36Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > When was the last event in the US that used commercial explosives or weaponized chemicals? [1995 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) The bomb was a mix of diesel fuel and fertilizer (weaponized chemicals) and that one still ranks as the greatest domestic act of terror in the US and only 9/11 surpassed it. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/163 "2016-06-12T23:52:21Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Do you really believe conservatives and Republican’s don’t care if gays get murdered en-masse? I can imagine a number of cons/repubs don’t care, but I believe the majority of them probably do. They may not believe in gay marriage, or transgender restroom issues, but that’s a far cry from being immune to mass murder. So…the sort of people who have dehumanized us, tried to pass legislation to deny us civil rights, blocked legislation to deny us civil rights, tried for decades to deny us the basic right of marriage, back destructive gay and transgender “conversion therapies,” and openly and with pride call us child molesters, perverts, criminals, and freaks of nature, and who leave death threats on answering machines threatening to vivisect and murder 7-year-old transgirls - those people aren’t happy about this? All you have to do is look in the comments sections of various new websites, look at the North Carolina and Texas and other states’ legislatures, and go to their evangelical churches and see. Or look at a seemingly endless parade of lowlifes and current unbanned conservative trolls on this message board. Or meet them in the real world, away from the safe little bubble of online message boards, and see them scream at you, saliva spraying as they call you evil, monster, and say Jesus _demands_, yes _demands_ that we die. I don’t know any way to take a poll and get a factual number IRL, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a quarter of conservative Republicans didn’t get a nice sense of satisfaction out of this massacre. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one in 10 didn’t make a few jokes out of it, or even pump their fist in the air and scream “hell YE-AH!” If that guy in Los Angeles had not been caught too, who knows how many dead LGBT persons conservative Republicans and evangelicals would be celebrating today. While Trump, _the_ presumptive Republican candidate for President, puffs out his chest and refuses to make any substantive expression of sadness over this. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/164 "2016-06-12T23:59:50Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Any thoughts on if there was a big fuckup by the police? Did they sit around for three hours while people were being killed? Actually no. They went in and attacked rather than trying negotiation because they were getting reports from people inside that he was killing people. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/165 "2016-06-12T23:59:58Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > [1995 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) > > The bomb was a mix of diesel fuel and fertilizer (weaponized chemicals) and that one still ranks as the greatest domestic act of terror in the US and only 9/11 surpassed it. prior to that was the 1993 attack on the WTC with a urea nitrate bomb and in 2001 they used airplanes as kerosene fuel-air bombs against the same buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/166 "2016-06-13T00:06:26Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > [1995 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) > > The bomb was a mix of diesel fuel and fertilizer (weaponized chemicals) and that one still ranks as the greatest domestic act of terror in the US and only 9/11 surpassed it. > [@Magiver](#): > > prior to that was the 1993 attack on the WTC with a urea nitrate bomb and in 2001 they used airplanes as kerosene fuel-air bombs against the same buildings. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. I don’t mean non-weapon items turned into weapons; I am thoroughly aware of all the cases in which fertilizer and baseball bats have been used. When was the last US “terrorism” or other major violent attack with commercially-manufactured explosives? Or with inherently toxic/dangerous commercially-manufactured chemicals (other than fuels)? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/167 "2016-06-13T00:10:55Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > There are so many horrible aspects to this, but one that really infurates me is how social conservatives and Republicans will pretend to care about the lives of gay people for a little while so they can trash Muslims. > > It’s transparent, but predictable and, again, infuriating. I think I need to avoid the news for a good long while, because what will be done, and won’t be done, in the next few weeks and months will only make me even more angry. I think what’s absolutely disheartening is anyone who wants to jump in and point to _their_ sacred cow being gored, however tangential. Jesus, when did we become so callous? Does it always have to be about finger pointing and blame? The whole thing just turns my stomach. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/168 "2016-06-13T00:22:23Z")
I’ve honestly wondered in the past why these massacre death tolls are not as high as this one. I’m glad they haven’t been, but why is it this guy was able to shoot so many? Was he just a better marksman? Was it the enclosed space? There have been other similarly crowded situations. What is it about this one that made it so “successful”? The CNN website is quoting the shooter’s ex-wife as saying he was unstable when they were together. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/169 "2016-06-13T00:22:55Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. I don’t mean non-weapon items turned into weapons; I am thoroughly aware of all the cases in which fertilizer and baseball bats have been used. > > When was the last US “terrorism” or other major violent attack with commercially-manufactured explosives? Or with inherently toxic/dangerous commercially-manufactured chemicals (other than fuels)? your point isn’t clear at all. The bombs listed were made from easily and legally acquired commercial chemicals. There are many which are inherently toxic and dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/170 "2016-06-13T00:35:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick has deleted a tweet quoting the New Testament that he posted after the deadly Orlando nightclub shooting. > > Hours after the early Sunday morning shooting at a gay nightclub that left at least 50 people dead, Patrick sent a tweet from his personal account: “Do not be deceived. God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.” [http://ksn.com/2016/06/12/texas-lieutenant-governor-deletes-bible-tweet-after-shooting/](http://ksn.com/2016/06/12/texas-lieutenant-governor-deletes-bible-tweet-after-shooting/) > [@](#): > > Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump issued a bombastic call for President Barack Obama to resign on Sunday over the president’s response to a shooting at an Orlando night club that left 50 people dead and scores of others injured. > > “In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words ‘Radical Islam’. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words ‘Radical Islam’ she should get out of this race for the Presidency,” Trump said in a statement released by his campaign. > **[Donald Trump Calls On Obama To Resign Over Orlando Shooting](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-orlando-obama-resign_n_575dc769e4b0e39a28adebd3)** > > The president "disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam,'" which are Trump's bread and butter. ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/171 "2016-06-13T00:42:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > your point isn’t clear at all. The bombs listed were made from easily and legally acquired commercial chemicals. There are many which are inherently toxic and dangerous. I read his comment as bombs made from substances that are sold as explosives and don’t need to be prepared by the user to be explosives, e.g. nitroglycerine, TNT, C-4 etc. Seemed clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/172 "2016-06-13T01:00:37Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > maybe we can make sure it’s not easy for people to get their hands on these types of weapons. We can make it not easy for people to _legally_ get guns; how much impact is that going to have on professional criminals or pre-planned killing sprees? Is there a city in America large enough to be a dot on the national map where someone who knows how couldn’t find heroin or cocaine in a few hours? > [@Muffin](#): > > Easy access to auto and semi-auto guns with large clips makes it easy for them to kill. The USA’s refusal to seriously deal with the ease of access to such munitions makes it stand out from other first world nations. Full-auto weapons are anything but “easy” to obtain. > [@Senegoid](#): > > Seems like somebody needs to say it: > > America, BAN assault rifles already, dammit, or else just STFU and live with stunts like this. “These types of weapons” and “assault rifles” apparently mean semi-automatic rifles that have removable magazines; these have been publicly available since the 1970’s. So why the plague of massacres in the past few years that do not track with any increase in gun availability? ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/173 "2016-06-13T01:21:17Z")
A family member who lives in Orlando regularly patronizes the Pulse nightclub. He stayed home last night because some other family members were driving to town to meet him this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/174 "2016-06-13T01:34:59Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Donald Trump Calls On Obama To Resign Over Orlando Shooting | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-orlando-obama-resign_us_575dc769e4b0e39a28adebd3) “Mr. Trump, if elected, will you go on a crusade against the Islamic religion?” I think the answer would be enlightening at best and entertaining at worst. ETA: Oh! And, “Since this is clearly a hate crime against gay people, as President, what laws would you enact to protect them?” ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/175 "2016-06-13T01:37:05Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The problem with the gun debate is that both sides are convinced that the reason America doesn’t support their view yet is because there hasn’t been enough death and mayhem to win people over to their view. > > Gun-control: _“How many more people must die before America finally wakes up and realizes that we need to ban guns?”_ > Pro-gun: \* “How many more people must die before America finally wakes up and realizes that we need to let more people carry guns to defend themselves?”\* > With each mass shooting, both sides shake their heads in exasperation: _“America STILL hasn’t come around to our point of view yet?”_ And the rest of us wonder what the big deal is. This sort of violence is too rare and insignificant to waste much time making policy one way or another. But people are bad at assessing risk. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/176 "2016-06-13T01:44:20Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > A family member who lives in Orlando regularly patronizes the Pulse nightclub. He stayed home last night because some other family members were driving to town to meet him this morning. That’s terrifying. I’m so glad he is safe. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/177 "2016-06-13T01:56:38Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > And if Obama hadn’t made an early and forceful statement, the same haters would have found fault with that. “Everyone else has spoken up… whassamatta, is he sleeping in this morning?” - or some such. > > What a no-win job we saddle our chief exec with. I can’t imagine why anyone wants to be POTUS these days. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/178 "2016-06-13T02:03:34Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > That’s terrifying. I’m so glad he is safe. faithfool, your posts in this thread have been among the most sensible and sane. Almost everyone else is politicizing this tragedy, you have not. Kudos to you. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/179 "2016-06-13T02:03:47Z")
Only one statement would’ve been satisfying to conservatives: “In response to this tragedy, I am signing an executive order to make Islam illegal in this country. Plus, we start bombing Mecca in five minutes.” As for “politicizing tragedy,” isn’t the nature of this crime, and indeed most hate crimes, inherently political? It’s definitely used an an excuse by some to avoid inconvenient conversations about issues like, say, firearms and gay rights. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178/180 "2016-06-13T02:08:55Z")
Our family is feeling grateful tonight. A bit like finding out a loved one got caught in traffic and missed a flight that later crashed. My nephew would have been at that club. But my BIL chose today to drive down to Florida and see him. So nephew stayed home last night instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-casualty-shooting-at-a-nightclub-in-orlando/757178.md?page=10)