# Mass Effect Legendary - my thoughts while I play these games (spoilers as I play) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** video-games-e-games\ **Created:** [May 13, 2021, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984 "2021-05-13T11:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/244 "2021-05-25T00:00:53Z")
Oh, and next time you go through ME2, bring Tali with you on Mordin’s loyalty mission. It’s funny when you give the krogan scout a pep talk. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/245 "2021-05-25T00:09:02Z")
Then it’s a duel! You and me. Wendy’s parking lot. At Dawn. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/246 "2021-05-25T00:37:02Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Oh, and next time you go through ME2, bring Tali with you on Mordin’s loyalty mission. It’s funny when you give the krogan scout a pep talk. Yeesh, now I have to seek that clip out. I had Miranda with me here. I have to credit the game makers. Kasumi has a ton of dialogue for a character that many players might not see since they do not have the DLC. She talks all throughout the game if you take her on missions. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/247 "2021-05-25T01:21:29Z")
If you’re interested in a specific character reacting to a specific situation, there’s a very good chance there’s a Youtube clip so you can see it without having to reload the mission or whatever. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/2XvLJEWdIT8/maxresdefault.jpg "Mass Effect 2 HD: Tali gets owned (Special Dialogue)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XvLJEWdIT8) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/248 "2021-05-25T04:38:50Z")
“I can’t believe that worked.” Hehe. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/249 "2021-05-25T09:51:48Z")
You haven’t mentioned it yet, so I have to ask - what do you think of Martin Sheen as the Illusive Man? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/250 "2021-05-25T11:28:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You haven’t mentioned it yet, so I have to ask. What do you think of Martin Sheen as the Illusive Man? No major thoughts about him. Fine, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/251 "2021-05-25T12:33:53Z")
I just did the abandoned Collector ship mission. I died a few times when they initiated attack on us. And it was a pretty creepy mission. I liked it quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/252 "2021-05-25T12:51:46Z")
Are you also playing ME 2 at Normal difficulty? Or did you bump it up to Veteran after ME 1? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/253 "2021-05-25T12:55:23Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > - Jack can destroy three YMIR mechs empty-handed in a cut-scene, but she can barely make a scratch on one when she’s a member of my party? Aw, c’mon! There’s a TvTrope for that - and that scene is mentioned: > **[Cutscene Power to the Max - TV Tropes](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CutscenePowerToTheMax)** > > The character is powerful. Really powerful. Like, destroying-galaxies powerful. In fact, they could probably win the entire game by flexing their muscles... ...y'know, if they actually had these powers available in the gameplay. Outside cutscenes … ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/254 "2021-05-25T13:29:59Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Are you also playing ME 2 at Normal difficulty? Or did you bump it up to Veteran after ME 1? Normal, but I believe that the issue was that the last game was actually set to Casual and I thought it was on Normal. So it is one bump up from ME1 and feels right-ish to me now. I die a few times here or there, but can usually re-evaluate and continue. I don’t need it to be too tough, but I need to feel challenged and I do right now. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/255 "2021-05-25T15:51:29Z")
I have gained the loyalty of Jacob and Thane and Garrus. Thane’s mission was a pain because I had to follow this guy and a couple times he took odd turns and I lost him and had to re-do it. Made it, though. Jacob…well…his mission was both disturbing and unfinished. We met up with his Dad and the mission kind of just…ended. Jacob is the most boring character in the game and his mission was intriguing(uh, to say the least), but lead to nothing much interesting. I would not mind if he died or no longer appeared. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/256 "2021-05-25T17:38:52Z")
Jack’s loyalty mission was excellent and by coincidence, I had Miranda with me so she could see what a Cerberus facility looks like at its worst. I didn’t plan it, but it did work out that way. I also was able to complete Tali’s loyalty mission today. She was acquitted and seemed to be pretty happy about that. Tali is a great character. I achieved maximum Paragon today as well. Will doing Renegade actions lower it now? In game 1, they were totally independent of each other. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/257 "2021-05-25T18:26:15Z")
Paragon and Renegade are always independent scores, as far as I know. Jacob doesn’t get much more interesting in ME 3, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/258 "2021-05-25T18:31:12Z")
I find Jack to be an interesting character, but she’s YMMV. She also takes more work to get past her armor, exactly as you’d expect. You have to thread a needle of sometimes counter intuitive choices to get her to respond to you with anything but defensive bravado. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/259 "2021-05-25T19:58:31Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Jack’s loyalty mission was excellent and by coincidence, I had Miranda with me so she could see what a Cerberus facility looks like at its worst. I didn’t plan it, but it did work out that way. How’d you handle the post-mission conference-room showdown? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/260 "2021-05-25T20:32:58Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > How’d you handle the post-mission conference-room showdown… Calmed them down with the paragon/charm(“in blue”) dialogue option. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/261 "2021-05-25T20:34:11Z")
Finished every loyalty mission now. Zaeed was the last one. I really appreciate these missions as they fleshed out the characters and were a great chance to meet and get to know everyone. Characters and gameplay are both better in this game. I’m at about 20 hours and much more invested in the entire series now. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/262 "2021-05-25T20:44:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Calmed them down with the paragon/charm(“in blue”) dialogue option. Good. You need a high level of Paragon to do that. If you do Jack’s loyalty mission too early, before you build it up, you’ll be forced to choose sides, which will have some unfortunate consequences later on. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984/263 "2021-05-25T21:30:45Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Good. You need a high level of Paragon to do that. If you do Jack’s loyalty mission too early, before you build it up, you’ll be forced to choose sides, which will have some unfortunate consequences later on I focused entirely on Paragon and it is fully maxed out. I can pass any charm test at this point. Renegade is only filled with the few times I gained a point here or there from various actions. I chose Samara, by the way, not her daughter. This was also an interesting, but challenging mission. I read later that her daughter can ditch you if you are not interesting enough at conversation. I stumbled through and she asked to meet me in the apartment. Again, full Paragon made it easy to resist her mind-control. I chose Samara because it seemed right and I had already met Samara. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-effect-legendary-my-thoughts-while-i-play-these-games-spoilers-as-i-play/941984.md?page=14)