# Mass immigration- what's to be done? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 4, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909 "2015-09-04T15:24:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/281 "2015-09-09T09:06:07Z")
I agree with **Alessan**. It would create more problems than it would solve for Israel to take in Syrian refugees. Herzog is simply trying to score political points; he knows it is a bad idea, and he knows Bibi will manage to come across as unnecessarily offensive when he rejects it. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/282 "2015-09-09T11:27:18Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Remember, Israel and Syria are at _war_, and you can’t just open your border with an enemy, even for good reasons, because you can never know who will come through. Israel has been trying like crazy for the past 5 years to stay out of the shooting war in Syria, and something like that could tip the delicate balance it’s created and make things much, much worse. Israel and the Assad regime are enemies. What does that make refugees from the Assad regime? It doesn’t matter. Israel is a de facto apartheid state, of course it won’t accept refugees that aren’t ‘it’s kind’. In fact, it’s stae policy has been for 70 years to create refugees. Today - standard form: [**Benjamin Netanyahu rejects calls for Israel to take in more refugees – and pledges to build 18-mile border fence instead**](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/netanyahu-rejects-calls-for-israel-to-take-more-refugees--and-pledges-to-build-a-fence-instead-10488849.html) And goodness knows they know how to build fences and walls. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/283 "2015-09-09T12:01:53Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Israel and the Assad regime are enemies. What does that make refugees from the Assad regime? Israel and \*Syria \*are enemies. Wars are between nations, not regimes; Israel and Syria were enemies long before both the Likud and Baath Party were founded. Besides, we can’t afford to open the border between the company. Most of the refugees will be innocent refugees, but Assad and Hezbollah would be utter idiots not to take advantage of a breach - and they’re not idiots. We have too much respect for them to trust them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/284 "2015-09-09T12:09:17Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Israel and \*Syria \*are enemies. Wars are between nations, not regimes; Israel and Syria were enemies long before both the Likud and Baath Party were founded. > > Besides, we can’t afford to open the border between the company. Most of the refugees will be innocent refugees, but Assad and Hezbollah would be utter idiots not to take advantage of a breach - and they’re not idiots. We have too much respect for them to trust them. Couldn’t Israel take in a relatively small number of refugees – something like a few thousand families with small children – with negligible risk? I believe that all the nearby mostly stable countries should do something like this. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/285 "2015-09-09T12:15:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Israel and \*Syria \*are enemies. Wars are between nations, not regimes; Israel and Syria were enemies long before both the Likud and Baath Party were founded. So when dead Syrian children - refugees from Assad’s regime - start washing up on Israeli beaches, will that also constitute a “breach”? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/286 "2015-09-09T12:18:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Couldn’t Israel take in a relatively small number of refugees – something like a few thousand families with small children – with negligible risk? I believe that all the nearby mostly stable countries should do something like this. Maybe small amounts, but not so much as to rock the boat too much. You understand how precarious the situation is. Anything that gets Israel involved in a shooting war will be horrible for absolutely everyone. One possibility would be to take in Druze refugees. The local Druze community has a generally good relationship with the Israeli government, and the Syrian Druze, while mostly aligned with the Assad regime, are kept out of both Hezbollah and DAESH due to their religion. I’d be in favor of a plan letting a number of them in. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/287 "2015-09-09T12:19:39Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > So when dead Syrian children - refugees from Assad’s regime - start washing up on Israeli beaches, will that also constitute a “breach”? Why would they be coming by sea? Look at a map. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/288 "2015-09-09T13:04:01Z")
Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/289 "2015-09-09T14:21:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > BrainGlutton, that’s great that you can quote famous authors, but is it realistic for the UK to take in, say, two millionm refugees this year? If Lebanon can take in 2 millions refugees, presumably the UK can too… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/290 "2015-09-09T23:03:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And as usual I do notice that the ones that concentrate on the grammar of an opponent do not have much to counter against the points of the opponent. > > BTW it is clear that your confusion came from your sorry idea that refugees=terrorists. > > What I said was that I was thinking about the British troops that are training the fighters that are currently fighting against Daesh (ISIS) **and** the airmen (What ISIS or terrorist airmen?) that are hitting them for awhile now. They (the British troops, and nowhere in the post I referred to the refugees) for sure do keep those examples of terror attacks that you mentioned in their minds. > > The subject was the British troops training the fighters, and the British airmen, Daesh was mentioned only as their target. I wasn’t concentrating on your grammar, it was the incoherence of your posts. You said "In the minds of the British troops that are training the fighters against ISIS and some of them are fighting ISIS. This is indeed a red herring." You didn’t mention at the time it was concerning British military advisors training some of the opposition to ISIS. I’ll be delighted to continue this conversation when either you learn to post coherently (i.e. not assuming that everyone else knows what you’re thinking), or I I learn how to read minds. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/291 "2015-09-09T23:15:27Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > If Lebanon can take in 2 millions refugees, presumably the UK can too… 😉 Why should we? Just because France rolls over like a poodle for Merkel doesn’t mean we have to. Merkel says Germany welcomes refugees and then demands that other EU states take their share of them. Imagine Saint Bob Geldof, after inviting to house refugees in some of his homes, demanding that his neighbours house some of them. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/292 "2015-09-09T23:30:48Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Why would they be coming by sea? Because Israel’s land-border with Syria is more heavily guarded? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/293 "2015-09-09T23:46:31Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > I wasn’t concentrating on your grammar, it was the incoherence of your posts. > > You said "In the minds of the British troops that are training the fighters against ISIS and some of them are fighting ISIS. You left out your quote: “Where were the photos of British holidaymakers when they were machine gunned in Morocco last month?” So then the reply was me thinking: What?!? “Where were those photos?” Does this poster think that minds of the British troops that are training the fighters against ISIS and the ones fighting ISIS are not aware of that? And indeed talking about unrelated terror incidents is only made to distract from the fact that the governments in Europe are not buying what you are claiming. Talking about those terror incidents was indeed a red herring. > [@mascaroni](#): > > I’ll be delighted to continue this conversation when either you learn to post coherently (i.e. not assuming that everyone else knows what you’re thinking), or I I learn how to read minds. No need to read minds, you were wrong on what you claimed and you were wrong on what I was saying. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/294 "2015-09-09T23:57:24Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > Why should we? Just because France rolls over like a poodle for Merkel doesn’t mean we have to. > > Merkel says Germany welcomes refugees and then demands that other EU states take their share of them. > > Imagine Saint Bob Geldof, after inviting to house refugees in some of his homes, demanding that his neighbours house some of them. Well, yes, they are not forced to follow Geldof example; but that is the reason why “shame” exists as a concept. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/295 "2015-09-10T00:37:08Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, yes, they are not forced to follow Geldof example; but that is the reason why “shame” exists as a concept. Shame? Emotional blackmail would see a more suitable term. It’ll be interesting to see how the refugees get on at Saint Bob, Yvette Cooper and Nicola Sturgeon’s homes. Assuming, of course, that they are serious about taking refugee families in. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/296 "2015-09-10T00:39:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Talking about those terror incidents was indeed a red herring. Is English your first language? Just wondering… ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/297 "2015-09-10T00:54:59Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Bullshit. > The Mediterranean is not the only route to Europe, it is not even the only sea route to Europe. Aylan Kurdi drowned in the Aegean Sea. The Aegean Sea is part of The Mediterranean Sea. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/298 "2015-09-10T00:57:26Z")
Sorry, I didn’t mean to leave the “Bullshit” part of your post in my reply. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/299 "2015-09-10T01:19:33Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > Shame? Emotional blackmail would see a more suitable term. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909/300 "2015-09-10T01:29:56Z")
> [@mascaroni](#): > > Is English your first language? Just wondering… No, it is not, just a warning though, many have told me in the past that regarding the English language I do better than many natives. In any case I continue to find that opponents that press on grammar issues do not want to deal with how wrong they are with the matter at hand. You were indeed using a distraction, [a red herring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring), that shows that you cannot deal properly with what is happening with the refugees, you attempted to change the subject to what terrorists are doing in Europe; problem is that regarding this subject of the refugees, those terrorists in Europe have the same ideas as the terrorists the refugees are fleeing from right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-immigration-whats-to-be-done/729909.md?page=16)