# Mass shooting at Bondi Beach, Australia **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [December 14, 2025, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683 "2025-12-14T09:20:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/21 "2025-12-14T20:31:54Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Not an expert on the comparison of gun laws AUS vs USA, but I believe that after the Port Arthur Massacre, Australia came down with much stricter laws. There were few Mass shootings in Australia before the new laws- and few after the new laws. The new laws- which were certainly well intentioned- did not really seem to change things, altho that is debated. ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/22 "2025-12-14T20:52:48Z")
The father was a licensed gun owner of long standing and had permits for 6 guns. Initial police info is that no additional illegal firearms were used, although there was also an explosive device(s) in their car. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/23 "2025-12-14T21:00:34Z")
There are many things I don’t understand, and becoming a terrorist is one of them; but an order of magnitude more incomprehensible to me beyond that is the idea of throwing away not your own life but your child’s life just to make someone else more miserable. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/24 "2025-12-14T21:02:18Z")
Yeah, we probably shouldn’t discuss that opinion of yours that you brought up. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/25 "2025-12-14T21:18:50Z")
We’re not going to. ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/26 "2025-12-14T21:24:51Z")
During the Giffords shooting there was a man there who had a concealed carry and his gun on him. By his own testimony he was so confused he almost shot the people who had captured Loughner, thinking Loughner was innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/27 "2025-12-14T21:48:35Z")
Went from 16 dead to 15. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/28 "2025-12-14T21:52:23Z")
> It’s 15 victims plus one of the shooters. 16 Sorry, that was in response to Idle Thoughts, not you DD. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/29 "2025-12-14T21:57:09Z")
> [@kitap](#): > > During the Giffords shooting there was a man there who had a concealed carry and his gun on him. By his own testimony he was so confused he almost shot the people who had captured Loughner, thinking Loughner was innocent. That is a huge concern of mine. I’ve seen some really bad gun handling in some of the CCW classes I’ve taken. And then on top of that, most who carry are not trained in tactical strategies and controlling your nerves and emotions in tense life-or-death scenarios. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/30 "2025-12-14T22:00:20Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Went from 16 dead to 15. 15 innocent victims, one murderer. ---
**Author:** ![Apodder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apodder/32/17727_2.png) [@Apodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apodder)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/31 "2025-12-14T23:34:59Z")
I was sad he didn’t smack the shooter with it. It looked like he was getting away although we now know he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2025, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/32 "2025-12-14T23:59:33Z")
A “good guy with a gun” almost shot the wrong person at the Tucson massacre. He had a licensed concealed weapon, and almost shot a man holding a weapon, but decided not to fire when he realized he might have taken it from the shooter, which in fact turned out to be the case. The man with the gun, and some other people, had also wrestled the shooter to the ground, and had pinned him there until he could be arrested. The shooter who was killed was the father of the arrested suspect. Yes, a father and son duo committing a terrorist act. Horrible. BTW, one report said the weapons used here were legally obtained and registered. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/33 "2025-12-15T00:11:44Z")
Moderating: > [@Bullitt](#): > > Not an expert on the comparison of gun laws AUS vs USA, but I believe that after the Port Arthur Massacre, Australia came down with much stricter laws. When laws are too strict, shooters have high confidence that experienced and responsible gun owners who carry will not be there, so they can shoot with abandon. > > IANAE but there seems to be a good balance in the gun laws. Too strict and you get shootings where shooters can shoot at will knowing nobody else is armed and can stop them. Too loose and you get too many guns available to every Tom, Dick, and Harriet who may want them and some of them have malevolent intentions. > > Getting rid of guns altogether might seem to be the ideal, but not to me. There are times when I want (and may actually need) mine on me. > > Anyway I don’t want to hijack this into a direction that belongs in its own thread. It’s just awful what happened there in Bondi Beach. > [@Bullitt](#): > > That is a huge concern of mine. I’ve seen some really bad gun handling in some of the CCW classes I’ve taken. And then on top of that, most who carry are not trained in tactical strategies and controlling your nerves and emotions in tense life-or-death scenarios. This is a Breaking News thread, a point which you appear to acknowledge by stating it should not be hijacked into a discussion that belongs in its own thread. But you’ve already hijacked it into a discussion about comparative gun control, and that doesn’t belong in this thread, either. By including the language about hijacking, you effectively foreclose further discussion by others who may disagree with you about this topic. That’s a jerk move. If you want to debate the issue of gun control in the USA v. Australia, take it to a different thread. No more posts about it in a Breaking News thread, and no more junior modding about what constitutes a hijack and what doesn’t – especially after engaging in a hijack yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/34 "2025-12-15T00:14:11Z")
I heard the civilian who disarmed one of the shooters received gunshot wounds. Is that true? What are the circumstances under which this happened? The video doesn’t show him receiving wounds. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/35 "2025-12-15T00:17:39Z")
The surviving shooting suspect is described as a model citizen. > [@](#): > > “He doesn’t have a firearm. He doesn’t even go out. He doesn’t mix around with friends. He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke, he doesn’t go to bad places … he goes to work, he comes home, he goes to exercise, and that’s it,” she said. > > “Anyone would wish to have a son like my son … he’s a good boy.” > **[Alleged Bondi shooter told family he was going fishing](https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/alleged-bondi-terror-gunman-naveed-akram-told-family-he-was-going-on-fishing-trip-20251214-p5nnls.html)** > > The alleged gunman lost his job several months ago. His family said he pretended he was on a fishing trip for the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/36 "2025-12-15T00:25:32Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The surviving shooting suspect is described as a model citizen. By his mother. Probably not by his dead, murder accomplice father unless this how he was indoctrinated. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/37 "2025-12-15T00:29:18Z")
Most likely, it happened a few seconds after he disarmed gunman #1, and that was edited out. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/38 "2025-12-15T00:31:00Z")
Well, perhaps a model citizen until he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/39 "2025-12-15T00:31:07Z")
“He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke, he doesn’t go to bad places” See, model citizen. 🙄 I’ve drank and smoked a lot and went to some really sketchy places in my life, but I never had the urge to kill as many Jews as I could. Am I the bad guy? Maybe morals are really a matter of priorities… /s ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683/40 "2025-12-15T00:35:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I heard the civilian who disarmed one of the shooters received gunshot wounds. Is that true? What are the circumstances under which this happened? > > The video doesn’t show him receiving wounds. From the other shooter on the bridge I think who was signalling the disarmed guy to join him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-bondi-beach-australia/1025683.md?page=3)