# Mass shooting at Highland Park, IL Fourth of July parade {2022-07-04} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [July 4, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412 "2022-07-04T16:41:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/201 "2022-07-21T01:58:57Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > What category are you thinking he fit in? Suicide by society. He believes it’s society’s fault nobody likes him and he wants to punish it collectively on the way out. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/202 "2022-07-21T07:28:24Z")
Nice try, but I don’t think that one fits either. 🙂 I don’t think any of these type of mass murderers have ever been charged for being a terrorist, have they? Closest recent one I can think of that may qualify is the guy that purposely went to a black neighborhood and shot only black people in a supermarket. I think he had posted about “replacement theory” crap before the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/203 "2022-07-21T08:02:50Z")
I believe the Buffalo grocery store guy is in fact being charged with terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/204 "2022-07-21T08:24:41Z")
[Looks](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/18/1112035732/the-buffalo-supermarket-shooter-pleads-not-guilty-to-federal-charges) like you are right, but the charges are not what I thought they would be. I thought terror would be a Federal crime, but they are charging as a hate crime. > The federal indictment charges Gendron with 10 counts of hate crimes resulting in death, three counts of hate crimes involving an attempt to kill three people and another hate crime count alleging Gendron tried to kill other Black people in and around the store. It also includes 13 counts of using a firearm in a hate crime. The state is charging him with something called “hate motivated domestic terrorism.” > Gendron also faces a [parallel state prosecution](https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-politics-shootings-bdad2563235622b1efbd5d61ec92687a) on charges including hate-motivated domestic terrorism, murder and attempted murder as a hate crime. The domestic terrorism hate crime charge carries an automatic life sentence. He has pleaded not guilty to those charges as well. That’s backwards from what I had assumed. I live in NY, tho I’ve been away a lot since covid hit, and I didn’t know there was such a law. It’s recent, passed during the period I’ve been away. > The domestic terrorism hate crime charge — officially, domestic acts of terrorism motivated by hate in the first degree — was added to state law just two years ago, after a mass shooting targeting Mexicans at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas. The offense carries an automatic life sentence upon conviction ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/205 "2023-02-16T09:04:04Z")
> **[Accused Highland Park parade shooter's father indicted for helping son obtain...](https://abc7chicago.com/highland-park-parade-shooting-robert-crimo-jr-indictment-foid/12821084/)** > > Robert E. Crimo Jr. is to be arraigned Thursday on seven counts of reckless conduct for sponsoring his son's state gun ownership application despite allegedly knowing his son had threatened to kill himself and his family. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/206 "2023-02-25T20:33:38Z")
Oh, good, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/207 "2023-11-07T17:05:01Z")
> The father of a man charged in a deadly Fourth of July parade shooting in suburban [Chicago](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/chicago) pleaded guilty to seven misdemeanors on Monday in a case that centered on how his son obtained a gun license. > > Robert Crimo Jr entered the plea as his trial was about to start in Lake county court, in Waukegan, Illinois. He was immediately sentenced by Judge George Strickland to **60 days in jail, starting next week, and 100 hours of community service.** > **[Father of suspect in Chicago Fourth of July parade shooting pleads guilty](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/chicago-july-fourth-parade-shooting-father-suspect-pleads-guilty)** > > Man pleads guilty in case that centers on how his son, accused of killing seven people last year, obtained gun license Unfortunately very little punishment. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/208 "2023-11-07T20:31:06Z")
Well, the laws in question are misdemeanors, and judging from the voluntary “guilty” plea, there was obviously some plea bargain negotiation to reduce the sentence. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/209 "2023-11-07T20:39:23Z")
IMHO - one of the reasons they went with a comparatively light plea option is that it overall improves the precedent that parents or other third parties who assist in the purchase of weapons can be held accountable for the actions taken with such weapons. Getting a guilty strengthens those cases, rather than a long involved court battle that -could- go either way since IIRC the shooter had reached the age where he could have bought weapons on his own prior to the shooting. Still, the actual weapons USED were ones bought during the period in which his father was the sponsor. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/210 "2025-04-24T17:00:19Z")
[Sentenced](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/robert-crimo-iii-july-fourth-parade-shooter-to-be-sentenced/) > [@CNN](#): > > Lake County Judge Victoria Rossetti handed down seven consecutive sentences of natural life in prison without the possibility of parole Can one of our lawyers explain this > [@CNN](#): > > Crimo pleaded guilty to 21 counts of first-degree murder — three counts for each person killed — and 48 counts of attempted murder. How can you be changed with killing a person three times? Once they’re dead, they’re dead, right? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/211 "2025-04-24T18:27:52Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > How can you be changed with killing a person three times? Once they’re dead, they’re dead, right? My guess is that there were three different criminal acts involved in each death, and he pled guilty to all of them. Unfortunately, when I try to google that, the results are clogged with news stories from today, none of which are spelling that out. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/212 "2025-04-24T18:30:27Z")
I know there’s a way to change the date range, but I really wish Google would implement some sort of “don’t show me results less than X days old” button, for exactly these situations. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/213 "2025-04-24T18:43:35Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > My guess is that there were three different criminal acts involved in each death, and he pled guilty to all of them. Unfortunately, when I try to google that, the results are clogged with news stories from today, none of which are spelling that out. I found a 2022 AP article, from Crimo’s original indictment, which includes this paragraph: > [@](#): > > The multiple first-degree murder charges allege Crimo intended to kill, caused death or great bodily harm and took action with a strong probability of causing death or great bodily harm on the seven people who died. IANAL, but this suggests to me that for each death, he faced three separate charges, which amounted to: - Intent to kill - Caused death or great bodily harm - Took action with a strong probability of causing death or great bodily harm > **[Parade attack suspect indicted for murder, attempted murder](https://apnews.com/article/shootings-arrests-chicago-illinois-4e91e018ecb2e1ff26b4ec606a57dec0)** > > A grand jury has indicted the man accused of opening fire on an Independence Day parade in suburban Chicago, on 117 felony counts. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/214 "2025-04-24T22:24:16Z")
It could also be first degree murder (killing with intent), murder committed with a weapon (the gun), and murder in the course of committing another felony (firing on the crowd). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412.md?page=10)