# Mass shooting at Highland Park, IL Fourth of July parade {2022-07-04} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [July 4, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412 "2022-07-04T16:41:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/81 "2022-07-05T03:26:42Z")
Apparently this is one of his videos. I don’t think it needs to be spoilered, but I’ll spoiler it anyway. It’s more than eerily foreshadowing: [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrwrXbIMlDs) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/82 "2022-07-05T03:51:16Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Let’s not do that. Amateur profiling is rarely productive and I’m sure law enforcement have plenty of other bits of evidence. They better, because no one should get convicted in court based just on how someone looks. Repeated for emphasis. Yeah, my first impressions weren’t positive, because it catered to -my- preconceptions of entitled white failure who shoots people because of Trump-induced hate. But it’s the same sort of blind hate that has cops kill POC, white sellers refuse to sell to African-American home buyers, and Asian-American women killed by sexually frustrated failures. We can be better. And since the suspect was captured alive (another thing I’d like to bitch about when cops have a shoot first, second, and last when they just ‘think’ someone has a gun when it’s a POC) we will have plenty of time to find out or confirm the truth. At which point, well, let the hate flow. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/83 "2022-07-05T03:58:45Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > I don’t know how much money he would have earned as a rapper. Do millions of listens translate into much money? Not really livin’ money. Spotify pays a third of a penny per play. So if you had 3 million plays of your song, you’re looking at $9,000 – less any taxes or fees or whatever. Obviously if it takes you a couple of years to rack up those three million, the money’s gonna be coming in really slowly. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/84 "2022-07-05T04:03:25Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Apparently Bobby, Jr. lived in an apartment behind his father’s house and hasn’t held a job since before the pandemic. I don’t know how much money he would have earned as a rapper. Do millions of listens translate into much money? > > He also says Bobby, Jr. had no friends who visited and was a quiet, withdrawn guy who kept to himself. So Bobby Jr. is the suspect’s father? He’s also a rapper? This is nuts. Or are a lot of folks simply leaping to conclusions? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/85 "2022-07-05T04:05:31Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > So Bobby Jr. is the suspect’s father? He’s also a rapper? This is nuts. Bobby Jr. is the father. The rapper/shooter is Bobby III. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/86 "2022-07-05T04:08:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Bobby Jr. is the father. The rapper/shooter is Bobby III. That was my impression too. But **nelliebly** implied that the unemployed father Bobby Jr. was also a rapper. > [@nelliebly](#): > > Apparently Bobby, Jr. lived in an apartment behind his father’s house and hasn’t held a job since before the pandemic. I don’t know how much money he would have earned as a rapper. I’m confused… ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/87 "2022-07-05T04:17:44Z")
Video from the incident is fucking terrifying–25 second video, 30 rounds in about 14 seconds, a pause for about five seconds then another 30 rounds. Now we need someone telling us how it’s VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR PERSONAL FREEDUMBS to have high capacity magazines available at all times. FFS. > **[r/CrazyFuckingVideos - People slowly realizing what was happening in Highland...](https://old.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/vrgc99/people_slowly_realizing_what_was_happening_in/?ref=share&ref_source=link)** > > 16,558 votes and 3,612 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/88 "2022-07-05T04:20:20Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > That was my impression too. But **nelliebly** implied that the unemployed father Bobby Jr. was also a rapper. Checking the article, I think they simply mistakenly referred to Bob III as Bob Jr. As a “the third” myself, I’ve had my share of people noting that my father’s name was the same as mine and assuming I was “junior”. > [@](#): > > Paul A. Crimo said he spoke at length to law enforcement Monday about his nephew, Robert “Bobby” Crimo III, and said “(i)t seems like he is the suspect.” > > Bobby lives in an apartment behind the house owned by his father – and Paul’s brother – Robert Crimo Jr., he said. Paul also lives at the house in the city of Highwood, he said. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/89 "2022-07-05T05:16:50Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Checking the article, I think they simply mistakenly referred to Bob III as Bob Jr. Yes, that’s what happened. I did see the “III” after “Crimo,” but a post I’d just seen on social media referred to the shooter as “Jr.,” and I I missed the error. Sorry for the confusion. And thanks, @Jophiel , for the info on Spotify income. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/90 "2022-07-05T05:27:36Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > just based on looking at him, even if he didn’t do this, he’s probably done a lot of other bad things. Seriously? As soon as I saw this post I was disturbed enough to reply, but having the sense to scroll through the rest of the thread before posting, I see that several people have stepped up to object already. Allow me to add my voice to theirs. Just because someone is not conventionally attractive (and if they are a young man, someone who we might conjecture isn’t having high levels of success with the ladies) doesn’t make them a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/91 "2022-07-05T06:16:07Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > Agreed that he’s a loser, though I wouldn’t base it on looks Bah! I’ll make an exception in this jerkwad’s case. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/92 "2022-07-05T07:51:47Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > They were talking earlier about tracing the gun that was found. I haven’t seen it confirmed that this is how they identified him, but it’s one possibility. He lived locally, so probably bought the gun in Illinois, where there are (relatively) strict gun laws - does this means a legally owned gun can be traced back to its owner? Most of these guys don’t have any plan to escape, so he may not have cared about being identified. Highland Park, Illinois is only a short drive to Lake County, Indiana where the gun laws are much less strict and there are multiple gun stores as well as stores selling guns so it’s entirely possible he obtained the weapon in Indiana. No way to know at this point, but any gun in the greater Chicago area could have come from Indiana, and a lot of them do. This is reminding me a lot of the [2017 Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting) - shooter from a high vantage point firing into a crowd below. > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Oh, and Republican gubernatorial candidate Darren Bailey told people to move on and celebrate the 4th, even though the shooting did happen in a wealthy, mostly white suburb. I thought about putting this link in the Pit, but decided this is appropriate too. Death-cult member, that guy. Acceptable sacrifices for his God of Guns. It appears the shooter was also a fan of the current death-cult. I’m seeing a pattern here. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/93 "2022-07-05T08:52:03Z")
Moderating: > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > > > There appear to have been lots of clues pointing directly to him, and just based on looking at him, even if he didn’t do this, he’s probably done a lot of other bad things. > > > > Oh, and Republican gubernatorial candidate Darren Bailey told people to move on and celebrate the 4th, even though the shooting did happen in a wealthy, mostly white suburb. I thought about putting this link in the Pit, but decided this is appropriate too. > > Bailey is a moronic Trumper. Highland Park is indeed a wealthy, mostly white suburb, 91.2% white in fact and a median household income of $100k+. > > It is also a Democratic stronghold like much of the Chicago suburban north shore. They have had an assault weapon ban on the books since 2013. > > It is unlikely Bailey would have done very well there at any rate but this certainly won’t help him. This is the breaking news thread. This and some later posts are overly political. Please open a new thread in P&E if you want to talk about the politics. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/94 "2022-07-05T12:22:51Z")
Wow, that does have a certain look about it! Will be interesting to see if this was a motive. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/95 "2022-07-05T13:19:08Z")
Any updates on the injured survivors? 🙏 That no one else dies. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/96 "2022-07-05T16:48:21Z")
the shooter wore women’s clothing to disguise himself and blend in with the crowd running away. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/97 "2022-07-05T17:10:01Z")
Exactly how did they identify the suspect? serial number on the rifle? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/98 "2022-07-05T17:20:11Z")
Do they have that on film? ETA: I found this NPR article that covers the current investigation including the gun trace, and the disguise. > **[Suspect in Highland Park shooting is charged with 7 counts of first-degree...](https://www.npr.org/2022/07/05/1109793161/highland-park-chicago-july-4-shooting-latest?utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com)** > > Officials expect the charges to run in the dozens, and — if convicted — suspect Robert "Bobby" Crimo III could face a mandatory life sentence without parole. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/99 "2022-07-05T17:38:23Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the shooter wore women’s clothing to disguise himself and blend in with the crowd running away. I’ve already seen people calling him Antifa even though there’s pictures of him at Trump Rallies. Ten bucks says they use the fact that he was wearing women’s clothing to call him a cross dresser, drag queen, transsexual, gay or something else on the LGBTQ+ spectrum. From there it’ll almost prove their point that the real danger to the country is drag queens and strippers. As utterly stupid as this whole anti-drag show angle they’ve been going for lately is, this will absolutely cement the connection that a man wearing women’s clothing is evil. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/100 "2022-07-05T18:00:16Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the shooter wore women’s clothing to disguise himself and blend in with the crowd running away. He must have been reading the right wing lies that the Uvalde shooter liked to wear women’s clothes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412.md?page=6)