# Mass shooting at Highland Park, IL Fourth of July parade {2022-07-04} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [July 4, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412 "2022-07-04T16:41:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/141 "2022-07-06T14:37:14Z")
If only everyone in that parade crowd had been armed, then they all could have started shooting at each other, and maybe Crimo would have been hit by a stray bullet. It’s all the fault of them gun-grabbers! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/142 "2022-07-06T15:17:31Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > some of those now dead people, or their progeny, would have gone on to become Instagram influencers if not for him. Or, worse, vote Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![XOldiesJock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ec9cab/32.png) [@XOldiesJock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XOldiesJock)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/143 "2022-07-06T15:39:56Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > _This little family went to the parade. Mom, Dad, 2-year-old son._ > > _Baby’s an orphan now. I have no words._ I’ve always been an emotional guy. I cried when I read this story, out of both sadness and anger. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/144 "2022-07-06T15:43:44Z")
Moderating: > [@Isamu](#): > > He was a good guy with a gun, that stopped a lot of bad guys. I mean some of those now dead people, or their progeny, would have gone on to become Instagram influencers if not for him. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > f only everyone in that parade crowd had been armed, then they all could have started shooting at each other, and maybe Crimo would have been hit by a stray bullet. It’s all the fault of them gun-grabbers! > [@DesertDog](#): > > Or, worse, vote Democrat. Remember, this is the MPSIMS breaking news thread. > [@Mass shooting at Highland Park, IL Fourth of July parade {2022-07-04}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade/967412/111): > > For those wishing to carry on a discussion touching on political aspects of this incident, I’ve started a P&E thread here. > [@Issues Touching on Politics for Mass Shooting at Highland Park, IL Fourth of July Parade](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/issues-touching-on-politics-for-mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade/967468): > > For those who wish to discuss political matters arising out of the above-referenced mass shooting event, please feel free to post them here. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/145 "2022-07-06T19:17:14Z")
[Reports are that Crimo left Highland Park and drove to Madison](https://wtmj.com/news/2022/07/06/police-robert-crimo-drove-to-madison-considered-another-attack-after-alleged-shooting-in-highland-park/) (the one in Wiscosin, I think – 2+ hours away) musing having another round of shooty-shooty but decided against it. He had a second gun and 60 more rounds of ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/146 "2022-07-06T20:22:54Z")
You have to wonder why he decided against a second round of murder. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/147 "2022-07-06T20:51:10Z")
Trae Crowder (a/k/a Liberal Redneck) gives us another great three-minute synopsis, particularly focused on the RW spin (the aforementioned ‘spin’ having nothing whatsoever to do with the rifling of a gun barrel’s effect on a bullet. Nothing. Not At All.): [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/EkMVknYuNr4/maxresdefault.jpg "Liberal Redneck - How the Right Handles the Shootings") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMVknYuNr4) ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/148 "2022-07-06T21:24:38Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > So he’s **threatened to kill himself and others** , he’s attempted suicide, **Daddy sponsored the FOID card** , he’s apparently been living off his parents (and on their property) for at least the past two years, and he’s writing some pretty dark songs/making some creepy videos. Maybe it’s unfair to blame the parents for Cimo III’s actions, but damn, what were these people thinking? Yeah no it is very, very fair to blame the parents for his actions. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/149 "2022-07-06T21:28:54Z")
Blame them? How about prosecuting them? I’m not familiar with the rules for sponsoring a minor’s FOID card, but if you have to vouch for the cardholder’s mental well-being I’d say Crimo II committed fraud. Maybe accessory to seven counts of murder, too, but IANAL. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/150 "2022-07-06T21:31:19Z")
I think they absolutely deserve to be charged. Whether the charges would stick, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/151 "2022-07-06T21:32:48Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I’m not familiar with the rules for sponsoring a minor’s FOID card, But he’s not a minor. Parents are not responsible for their adult children. Or, if they are, for how long is it reasonable to hold a parent responsible? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/152 "2022-07-06T21:34:19Z")
Reminds me a bit of Ethan Crumbley, who was known to be troubled, but whose parents didn’t seek help for him and in fact bought the gun used at his school, just days before he acted. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/153 "2022-07-06T21:36:23Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > I’m not familiar with the rules for sponsoring a minor’s FOID card, > > But he’s not a minor. Parents are not responsible for their adult children. Or, if they are, for how long is it reasonable to hold a parent responsible? Whether it was because he was under 21 or for some other reason, Crimo III could not obtain a FOID card on his own, so his father sponsored him. Crimo II’s responsibility for the crimes isn’t because he’s Crimo III’s father; it’s because he sponsored a FOID card for someone who clearly should not have had one. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/154 "2022-07-06T21:54:23Z")
You really have to wonder what messed up rationale these parents have, to figure out that what an apparently aimless young adult (intentionally understating the case) like this really needs is firepower! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/155 "2022-07-06T22:02:27Z")
He sponsored him less than 3 months after knives were taken from the home due to his son wanting to kill family members. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/156 "2022-07-06T22:08:45Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > You really have to wonder what messed up rationale these parents have, to figure out that what an apparently **aimless** young adult (intentionally understating the case) like this really needs is firepower! (Bolding mine.) That’s an unfortunate word choice, but I also find this action unfathomable. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/157 "2022-07-06T22:36:45Z")
According to their attorney, Robert Crimo III’s parents were [“completely in the dark”](https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/crimos-parents-didnt-do-anything-wrong-attorney/) about his plans and saw no red flags. > Greenberg told NewsNation that his clients dispute what police have said about their son being suicidal and threatening to kill them. Oy. So the family member who called the cops was lying about Crimo saying he was going to kill his family? 🙄 > “I think the bigger issue here is why is a kid able to get a FOID card and then purchase a military assault weapon? I think that’s a bigger question that we should be asking ourselves. Not whether the family should have sponsored him to get a FOID card when there were no red flags and it was perfectly lawful,” Greenberg said. No red flags? Are these people comatose? He’s a loner who’s never had friends, AND he’s been unemployed for two years and couldn’t have supported himself before that on a Panera paycheck, AND he’s spending their money on assault weapons, AND a family member said Crimo III wanted to kill them all, AND someone’s reported that he tried to kill himself, AND he’s writing and performing raps and posting videos about death and murder but they’re stunned, _stunned_ to find out he’s killed 7 people and injured dozens more. > “It’s just a tragedy all the way around. Imagine waking up one day and knowing that your loved one goes to a parade and gets killed. Imagine waking up one day and knowing that your child may never get out of jail,” Greenberg said. Yeah, because those two things are the same. Frick. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/158 "2022-07-06T23:21:26Z")
Tuckie-wuckie? 😆 😆 😆 That being said, I had not heard that Tuckie-wuckie’s mom had split from the family. That is kinda sad. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/159 "2022-07-07T01:42:23Z")
Tuckie wuckie? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-at-highland-park-il-fourth-of-july-parade-2022-07-04/967412/160 "2022-07-07T02:16:56Z")
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