# Mass shooting in at least one mosque, Christchurch NZ **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 15, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165 "2019-03-15T02:58:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/41 "2019-03-15T10:17:03Z")
WSJ quotes PM saying “it’s clear this is terrorism” and also says there are more people involved than those who were arrested. Shootings at New Zealand Mosques Leave 49 People Dead [Terror Attacks at New Zealand Mosques Leave 50 People Dead - WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-police-respond-to-active-shooter-at-a-mosque-in-christchurch-11552618459) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/42 "2019-03-15T10:54:55Z")
Latest CNN (some repeated): What we know about the attack: At least 49 people have been killed, and 20 seriously injured, after mass shootings at two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch. What’s known about the suspects: **New Zealand police say they have arrested three men and one woman. One man has already been charged with murder.** An account believed to belong to one of the attackers featured a link to an 87-page manifesto filled with anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim ideas. How the country is responding: New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has described the attack as an “unprecedented act of violence” and called it “one of New Zealand’s darkest days.” Meanwhile, police have mobilized every national police resource to respond to the attack. (my bold) ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/43 "2019-03-15T11:19:45Z")
We are hurting right now. This is not who we are. This is not who we want to be. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/44 "2019-03-15T12:59:47Z")
You’re not, you’ve been visited by alt-right vermin. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/45 "2019-03-15T13:15:46Z")
My brother and his family live in that area. I heard the first news reports, and it took me two hours to reach him. Those were two of the longest hours in my life. Fortunately, everybody is fine. Total so-called human depravity. How low can it sink? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/46 "2019-03-15T13:22:01Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Hopefully the authorities catch up to him, kill him, and that his demise is painful. Especially before he can hurt anyone else. I also hope we can figure out if he had help, and bring to justice those that helped him with knowledge he was likely to do this Nope. These scum need to be taken alive and not permitted the refuge of death. They need to be put on trial, then locked away for the rest of their lives rather than be martyred for the cause. Subsequent terrorists need to know their fate will not be going out in a blaze of glory but rather to sit and rot in a cell, forgotten, until they die a natural death. We are better than them, we should act better by not engaging in killing other human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/47 "2019-03-15T13:27:16Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > We are hurting right now. This is not who we are. This is not who we want to be. Correct. That is not who you are, that is why you were targeted. I’m sorry to wake up to this news, no one deserves this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/48 "2019-03-15T13:37:34Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > These scum need to be taken alive and not permitted the refuge of death. They need to be put on trial, then locked away for the rest of their lives rather than be martyred for the cause. Subsequent terrorists need to know their fate will not be going out in a blaze of glory but rather to sit and rot in a cell, forgotten, until they die a natural death. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/49 "2019-03-15T15:13:26Z")
According to the report on CBC this morning, one of the places the shooter got the idea from was the shootup of the Quebec City mosque just over a year ago. These things are contagious. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/50 "2019-03-15T15:43:06Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Two gunmen opened fire in a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. While there are always reports of multiple shooters, there is hardly ever a second gunman. Off the top of my head I can think of the Boston bombing (which didn’t involve any gunmen until much after the fact) and the 2015 Paris attacks. In almost every case witnesses are seeing police officers at the scene and believe they’re gunmen. This appears to be yet another case of a 20-something misanthrope who doesn’t understand math\* falling down the rabbit hole of 4chan/8chan/Gab/hate sites. \*It’s a common trope among racist shooters to believe that whites are on the verge of elimination in western countries due to immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/51 "2019-03-15T16:20:16Z")
[…“multiple car bombs disarmed”…](https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/384811/watch-christchurch-mosque-shooting-police-press-conferences) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/52 "2019-03-15T16:27:18Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > While there are always reports of multiple shooters, there is hardly ever a second gunman. Off the top of my head I can think of the Boston bombing (which didn’t involve any gunmen until much after the fact) and the 2015 Paris attacks. > . It’s something I suspected from the beginning. The information coming in did not fit with an attack by multiple people. These nut jobs want the world to know their version of the truth. It didn’t fit that he announced in his manifesto and stream that he was acting alone if he wasn’t. I’m still not clear about what happened at the second site. And I didn’t see if they announced why the other two people were arrested ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/53 "2019-03-15T17:23:35Z")
The other two people were doubtless arrested because at times like this, the cops are gonna arrest anyone who looks mildly suspicious. You can always let them go later. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/54 "2019-03-15T17:24:27Z")
7 people were killed at the second mosque. At this point three men and one woman were arrested, but they haven’t said why. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/55 "2019-03-15T17:33:54Z")
I know nothing about the legal system in New Zealand. Do they have a death penalty for certain crimes. Or is life in prison the limit? The sensei at the dojo i attended is affected by this. His fahter is from New Zealand, is there now in fact., and one of his grandmothers was Maori. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/56 "2019-03-15T17:37:09Z")
Has anyone else noticed that nobody is saying, “But if the people at the mosque were armed themselves…” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/57 "2019-03-15T17:41:08Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > 7 people were killed at the second mosque. > > At this point three men and one woman were arrested, but they haven’t said why. Was that first or second? Did he drive there directly from the other shooting > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Has anyone else noticed that nobody is saying, “But if the people at the mosque were armed themselves…” That’s starting to veer away from where we want to keep these types of threads but I will say if you’re not seeing that you’re not looking in the right places. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/58 "2019-03-15T19:02:53Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Was that first or second? Did he drive there directly from the other shooting The current timeline is he did the mass shooting that was on FB live, then turned off his camera when he went to the second location and continued. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/59 "2019-03-15T19:08:42Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Hopefully the authorities catch up to him, kill him, and that his demise is painful. Especially before he can hurt anyone else. No. That’s not who we are. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165/60 "2019-03-15T20:09:20Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > The current timeline is he did the mass shooting that was on FB live, then turned off his camera when he went to the second location and continued. That’s what I thought. The map I saw made it look like it wasn’t that far away. At this point I am assuming that the others held supported him in some way after he came in from Australia but didn’t participate directly. Apparently the fourth person who was detained was not involved and was held for an unrelated reason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-at-least-one-mosque-christchurch-nz/831165.md?page=4)