# Mass Shooting in Thousand Oaks, CA **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 8, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182 "2018-11-08T08:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Newtosite](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/newtosite/32/8623_2.png) [@Newtosite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Newtosite)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/1 "2018-11-08T08:22:30Z")
Neither mundane nor pointless. ☹ It’s at a nightclub just off the 101. One security guard was shot. They don’t know if the shooter is in custody. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/2 "2018-11-08T10:41:15Z")
[Multiple fatalities, shooter is dead](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible-mass-shooting-at-bar-in-thousand-oaks-california-today-2018-11-08-live-updates/) apparently. At least 11 wounded. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/3 "2018-11-08T11:16:47Z")
12 dead. I don’t know if that number includes the shooter. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/4 "2018-11-08T13:34:54Z")
12 dead plus the shooter, [according to CNN](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gunman-kills-11-people-at-california-country-dance-bar). Plus 10-15 injured. Two good guys with guns were among the dead: a security guard and a police sergeant. Barely have time for ‘thoughts and prayers’ after one mass shooting before the next one happens. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/5 "2018-11-08T13:35:57Z")
And California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Great. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/6 "2018-11-08T13:44:37Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > And California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Great. Well, that’s irrelevant because there is no universal national policy governing the purchase and ownership of firearms, therefore one can always get a gun from a location that has lax laws and transport it with them anywhere. “Bangers” and other ne’er-do-wells simply drive to Indiana with a suitcase full of cash, buy trunk loads of assault weapons, semi-automatic pistols, and ammo, drive back to Chicago, and sell the stuff literally out of the trunks of their cars. [\*\* Majority of Guns Used in Chicago Crimes Come From Outside Illinois: Repor\*\*t](https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017-454016983.html) [**3 men charged with trafficking dozens of guns bought over Armslist.com to Chicago gang members**](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-guns-gangs-chicago-violence-20180515-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/7 "2018-11-08T13:47:04Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Well, that’s irrelevant because there is no universal national policy governing the purchase and ownership of firearms, therefore one can always get a gun from a location that has lax laws and transport it with them anywhere. > > “Bangers” and other ne’er-do-wells simply drive to Indiana with a suitcase full of cash, buy trunk loads of assault weapons, semi-automatic pistols, and ammo, drive back to Chicago, and sell the stuff literally out of the trunks of their cars. > > [\*\* Majority of Guns Used in Chicago Crimes Come From Outside Illinois: Repor\*\*t](https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017-454016983.html) > > [**3 men charged with trafficking dozens of guns bought over Armslist.com to Chicago gang members**](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-guns-gangs-chicago-violence-20180515-story.html) Interesting, thanks. And sad. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/8 "2018-11-08T13:57:10Z")
[Borderland is a country bar.](https://www.borderlinebarandgrill.com/) It was college night. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/9 "2018-11-08T14:07:06Z")
So the fuck what? Nobody’s going to do anything about it, so I can’t imagine why we bother pretending to care. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/10 "2018-11-08T14:13:19Z")
Thoughts and prayers. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/11 "2018-11-08T14:33:44Z")
One witness was reporting that the assailant was using smoke grenades. If true, then this wasn’t just a bar fight that got out of hand: the assailant planned and equipped himself to kill as many as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/12 "2018-11-08T14:39:27Z")
Reports say he was dressed all in black, wearing a black hood and maybe a mask. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/13 "2018-11-08T14:40:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Two good guys with guns were among the dead: a security guard and a police sergeant. But I thought good guys with guns would protect us all? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/14 "2018-11-08T14:42:24Z")
No link right now, but it’s being reported that some of the survivors of this shooting had also survived last year’s Las Vegas mass shooting. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/15 "2018-11-08T14:42:28Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > One witness was reporting that the assailant was using smoke grenades. If true, then this wasn’t just a bar fight that got out of hand: the assailant planned and equipped himself to kill as many as possible. The first thing he did was kill the doorman/security guard. It was clearly planned. I’m actually surprised that there weren’t a lot more people killed. There were a couple hundred people in there. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/16 "2018-11-08T14:44:23Z")
Early witness statements say the gunman reloaded at least once, was “very skilled” as a shooter (not spraying bullets everywhere), and used smoke devices to disorient the crowd. Is it bad that my second response this morning (after “Oh, fuck”) was “I hope the shooter is white”? Multiple witness say that there were Las Vegas survivors in the building. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/17 "2018-11-08T14:47:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No link right now, but it’s being reported that some of the survivors of this shooting had also survived last year’s Las Vegas mass shooting. [New York Times link](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/shooting-california-thousand-oaks.html) > [@](#): > > The shooting came just over a year after 58 people were killed at a country music festival in Las Vegas when a gunman opened fire from a high-rise hotel room. There was an eerie parallel between the two shootings as some of the same people who emerged from the bar, the Borderline Bar & Grill, described having survived the shooting on the Las Vegas Strip. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/18 "2018-11-08T15:18:13Z")
Sheriff’s Office is reporting the gunman used a Glock 21. 10 round magazines if he bought them in California. Early reports are that he concentrated his fire around the front desk, taking out the security guard in the process. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/19 "2018-11-08T15:30:17Z")
[The shooter has been named](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46135459) as Ian David Long, a former Marine. (Early reports said Ian was actually his middle name.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/20 "2018-11-08T15:31:24Z")
From the NYTimes: > [@](#): > > The county sheriff, Geoff Dean, identified the gunman as 28-year-old Ian David Long of Newbury Park, Calif., who had served in the Marine Corps. Sheriff Dean said the department had several run-ins with Mr. Long, including an incident in April when he was described as irritated and irrational and was visited by the county’s mental health team. > > The handgun, a .45-caliber Glock handgun, was purchased legally, the sheriff said. The gun has been outfitted with an extended magazine. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182.md?page=2)