# Mass Shooting in Thousand Oaks, CA **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 8, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182 "2018-11-08T08:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/41 "2018-11-09T01:11:06Z")
I heard both on NPR and NBC that the shooter’s parents were afraid of him, and had called the police on him in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/42 "2018-11-09T01:22:13Z")
Actually, there are two brush fires in the area. One is just off the 101 freeway. It actually runs east-west around here, though it’s still called the Northbound/Southbound 101. The other is in the hills northward of the 101, not far from the Santa Susana reactor meltdown (Rocketdyne facility) in the hills between Simi Valley and Thousand Oaks. (The Reagan Museum/library where Republican debates are televised is not endangered by this one.) The problem is that people are trying to get around the blockage of the 101 by taking the 23 and 118 freeways – or going over surface streets between the 101 and 118. However, the fire in the Simi hills is slowing things down even more from smoke and rubber-neckers. The 2018 Wildfire season is in full tilt; It’s gonna be a long slow drive home. ☹ –G! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/43 "2018-11-09T01:45:20Z")
I live in Santa Barbara. It’s east-west out by me too. I drove to Hollywood earlier today. Luckily I left at 2:30 and took the 126. A couple of friends of mine who were going intending to go to the same show as me are stuck and won’t make it. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/44 "2018-11-09T01:52:40Z")
oops ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/45 "2018-11-09T03:02:22Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I believe that you can’t exceed 10 rounds in a magazine in California, but it’s hard to keep up with all the regulations they have there. That sound about right. The _standard_ mag for my .45 isn’t legal in CA. The CA mags have a false bottom. I don’t know what an _extended_ mag would hold. Maybe 20-24? 😕 Never looked into it. Coyotes only need a single round, if you can hit them, and if you miss, it sure chases them away with the report. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/46 "2018-11-09T03:08:31Z")
[High-capacity mags were indeed](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiarosenbaum/thousand-oaks-shooter-high-capacity-magazine?ref=bfnsplash&utm_term=4ldqpho)outlawed in California in 2016, with enforcement to begin in 2017. Enforcement has been held up by a court case. The court case was brought by five gun owners and the California Rifle & Pistol Association — the official state association of the National Rifle Association. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/47 "2018-11-09T05:31:50Z")
At least we’re done saying “thoughts and prayers” and #randomAmericancitystrong We can finally declare both are officially cliche! Unfortunately, we can’t stop mass shootings in America. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/48 "2018-11-09T05:43:03Z")
307 mass shootings for 2018, so far, but it felt like there was a lull over the summer. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/49 "2018-11-09T06:15:52Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > 307 mass shootings for 2018, so far, but it felt like there was a lull over the summer. We didn’t hear about most of them, because they were between family members or other people who knew each other, which doesn’t make any of the victims any less dead. I just came from another board where a lot of the people thought this was yet another “Incel” incident. :rolleyes: I got walloped for saying, “And how do any of you know that? Did you know him?” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/50 "2018-11-09T07:14:18Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I heard both on NPR and NBC that the shooter’s parents were afraid of him, and had called the police on him in the past. This morning before going to work, I read on one news site that a neighbor had heard him shoot a weapon before but did not call the police. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/51 "2018-11-09T07:26:40Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > 307 mass shootings for 2018, so far, but it felt like there was a lull over the summer. I think I’ve been watching different news. If anything, they’ve been coming fast and furious. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/52 "2018-11-09T17:55:37Z")
Only in the USA can you survive one mass shooting, only to die in another mass shooting a year later. > **[Man who survived Vegas shooting died in Thousand Oaks massacre](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-mass-shooting-telemachus-orfanos-man-survived-vegas-shooting-died-in-thousand-oaks-borderline-bar-and-grill-massacre/)** > > Mother of Telemachus "Tel" Orfanos, her voice and head shaking with rage and grief, said, "I don't want thoughts, I want gun control. … No. More. Guns" ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/53 "2018-11-09T21:11:15Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Only in the USA can you survive one mass shooting, only to die in another mass shooting a year later. > > [California mass shooting: Telemachus Orfanos survived Las Vegas massacre only to die in Thousand Oaks carnage - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-mass-shooting-telemachus-orfanos-man-survived-vegas-shooting-died-in-thousand-oaks-borderline-bar-and-grill-massacre/) That’s like the darkest possible satire. I hope it virally epitomises the need for change. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/54 "2018-11-09T23:55:55Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > That’s like the darkest possible satire. I hope it virally epitomises the need for change. Unfortunately, it could get darker: There are now people that have survived two mass shootings and could die in a third. :eek:☹ ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/55 "2018-11-10T00:25:02Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Unfortunately, it could get darker: There are now people that have survived two mass shootings and could die in a third. :eek:☹ There was a Columbine survivor who was also at Virginia Tech; IIRC, this person witnessed both but was not injured either time - not physically, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/56 "2018-11-10T02:01:11Z")
The advert I’m getting from Tapatalk on this thread is mini-handheld crossbows. ☹ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/57 "2018-11-10T02:45:51Z")
A few thoughts: 1. Mass shootings are barely news in America now. What’s that? 15, 25, 50 killed by one white male with an AR-15? Just another day in paradise. Show’s over, folks. Nothing to see here. 2. I almost have some sympathy for the gunman. Obviously, what he did was horrific, but Americans can’t just send hundreds of thousands of men and women in the primes of their lives into years of life or death struggle and not expect some consequences when they return. The war in Afghanistan is the invisible war. Everyone puts little yellow ribbons on their cars and says “Support the Troops” but when they come back home…we hardly give a fuck. Hell, how many homeless veterans are there now? We’re a culture of cliches. We’re full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/58 "2018-11-10T06:36:29Z")
Most of the perpetrators of these attacks are not veterans. Not all veterans have any form of psychological issues and only a minority of those who _do_ have issues would take them out on anyone else. I’m not aware of any shooting sprees perpetrated by veterans of World War II, Korea, or Vietnam, all of which produced far more veterans than the “War on Terror.” And I can’t even think of any other mass shooters in the past decade who are veterans, besides this one guy being discussed here. There’s been a whole menagerie of disturbed individuals with varying backgrounds and ages, but military service doesn’t appear to be a common factor at all. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/59 "2018-11-10T06:54:58Z")
Howard Unruh, who killed 13 people in Camden, NJ in 1949, was a WWII veteran who was later diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. > **[Howard Unruh, 88, Dies; Killed 13 of His Neighbors in Camden in 1949...](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/nyregion/20unruh.html)** > > Mr. Unruh carried out one of America’s most infamous mass shootings during a morning stroll; he was found to have paranoid schizophrenia and never stood trial. Nidal Hasan, who AFAIK never served overseas, was in the military. How he got his education remains mysterious to me, even though it’s all been documented. > **[Nidal Hasan | Military service, higher education and medical career](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan#Military_service,_higher_education_and_medical_career)** > > Hasan enlisted in the United States Army in 1988 after graduating from high school. He attended college during this time, earning an associate degree in science from Virginia Western Community College in 1992. In 1995, he graduated from Virginia Tech with a bachelor's degree in biochemistry. He completed both of these programs with Latin honors. He was commissioned as an officer in the Army Medical Department in 1997, and enrolled at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (U Upo... ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182/60 "2018-11-10T08:26:12Z")
Oh shit, this one hit pretty close to home. One of the victims, Alaina Housley, 18, a freshman at Pepperdine, was a good long-time friend of my niece — Alaina and my niece grew up together. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shooting-in-thousand-oaks-ca/824182.md?page=4)