# Mass shootings at mosques in New Zealand **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 15, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169 "2019-03-15T04:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/321 "2019-03-25T22:43:56Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …typical Slacker. The white woman is “innocent and apologetic.” But the grieving black Muslim woman is “part of an angry mob.” More lying, this time with quotation marks. Quote 1: the words inside the quotes are accurately quoting my comments. Quote 2: the words inside the quotes are not, in fact, accurately quoting my comments. Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/322 "2019-03-25T22:56:51Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > More lying, this time with quotation marks. > > Quote 1: the words inside the quotes are accurately quoting my comments. > Quote 2: the words inside the quotes are not, in fact, accurately quoting my comments. > > Nice try. …LOL. I quoted your actual words. They remain there, unmolested, within the realms of the quote-box, as per the rules of the forum and I did that so that people could see the words that you actually said. If you thought that what I wrote was intended to be an actual “accurate quote” then you are stupider than I thought. You did cast the white woman in the role of “innocent and apologetic.” And you did cast the grieving black Muslim woman in the role of “part of an angry mob.” There was no nuance in your post. No lies from me. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/323 "2019-03-25T23:44:18Z")
**Slacker** , you made [this post](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21388688&post21388688). > [@Interesting podcast conversation between Sam Harris and Charles Murray (of "Bell Curve" fame)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/interesting-podcast-conversation-between-sam-harris-and-charles-murray-of-bell-curve-fame/785052/2316): > > A sadly naive choice of backpacking location by these Scandinavian women: [Morocco murders: Tourist killings suspects 'backed IS'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46632182) > > I would not take the risk of vacationing in a predominantly Muslim country, not even a relatively less violent one like Morocco. But if you do, at least stay in places where you have the protection of security forces nearby. Maybe it’s a good time for you to step the fuck away from a thread about Islamophobic mass murder. ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/324 "2019-03-25T23:58:58Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Wow…you really _are_ a conflict junkie. Indeed, and the worst sort. He’s a conflict junkie who lacks the capacity for insight. Most reasonable people would sit back and think _“I’m getting into a lot arguments these days… I wonder what the common theme is?”_ But not this guy. This guy is a perpetual victim. Someone who uses that victimhood to manipulate people into getting a certain outcome. And when confronted with their incessant need for conflict, the response every time is _“He made me do it! He made me respond in the aggressive manner I did. He made me type the words I typed!”_ You see this sort of stuff all the time. A tragedy will happen somewhere in the world and there’s always that one person who has to jump in and hijack the tragedy to make it all about them by claiming greater voting rights on the victim hierarchy totem pole. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/325 "2019-03-26T00:16:34Z")
> [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > Indeed, and the worst sort. He’s a conflict junkie who lacks the capacity for insight. Most reasonable people would sit back and think _“I’m getting into a lot arguments these days… I wonder what the common theme is?”_ > > But not this guy. This guy is a perpetual victim. Someone who uses that victimhood to manipulate people into getting a certain outcome. And when confronted with their incessant need for conflict, the response every time is _“He made me do it! He made me respond in the aggressive manner I did. He made me type the words I typed!”_ > > You see this sort of stuff all the time. A tragedy will happen somewhere in the world and there’s always that one person who has to jump in and hijack the tragedy to make it all about them by claiming greater voting rights on the victim hierarchy totem pole. …hellllloooo. I’m right here if you want to speak to me. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/326 "2019-03-26T00:47:09Z")
In related news, [a mosque in Escondido, California, is target of arson attack](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6845637/Note-left-suspected-arson-fire-California-mosque.html), firebug(s) leave(s) note referring to the massacre in New Zealand: > [@](#): > > Police are investigating a suspected arson attack at a Southern California mosque after they discovered a note at the scene referencing the recent terrorist attacks in New Zealand. > > Nobody was hurt, and members of the Islamic Center of Escondido were able to extinguish the small blaze before firefighters around 3.15am, officials said. Luckily, nobody was injured or killed. No doubt, a “nice Christian” did this, all the time bemoaning how awful “the Religion of Peace” is. I don’t know about you, but I’m just about fed up with bigots, especially that bigot in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/327 "2019-03-26T03:42:47Z")
“No doubt?” You know for certain, do you? How? Seriously? I’m fed up with this kind of poor quality thinking. On both sides. Get a clue! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/328 "2019-03-26T04:13:15Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > “No doubt?” You know for certain, do you? How? > > Seriously? > > I’m fed up with this kind of poor quality thinking. On both sides. Get a clue! “No doubt” generally gives the idea of “I strongly suspect”, but of course in today’s America, I think I’m fairly safe with this one. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/329 "2019-03-26T05:04:41Z")
No Doubt = _think_ it’s fairly safe. Good to know! Thanks for the update! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/330 "2019-03-26T05:48:45Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > “No doubt?” You know for certain, do you? How? > > Seriously? > > I’m fed up with this kind of poor quality thinking. On both sides. Get a clue! Get the fuck out of here. Colloquially, “No doubt” means “probably” just as much as it means “with 100% certainty”, and you fucking know it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/331 "2019-03-26T07:38:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Get the fuck out of here. Colloquially, “No doubt” means “probably” just as much as it means “with 100% certainty”, and you fucking know it. True dat. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/332 "2019-03-26T13:46:21Z")
I highly suggest people to watch [this ABC news video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44KEmbJelT8). In it the interviewee makes many great points: [ul] [li]The shooter was part of a global community of international fascists (not a “lone wolf”)[/li][li]The shooter was very active in these internet hate sites[/li][li]The shooter telegraphed his plan to these sites and even livestreamed his drive to the mosque (including audible GPS coordinates)[/li][li]The most active site (8chan) rejoiced with joy at the start of the livestreamed shooting[/li][li]The authorities are sadly not monitoring rightwing extremists like they do others[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/333 "2019-03-26T18:38:57Z")
> [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > Blah Blah Blah… > > You’re a conflict junkie. Worse yet you’re a conflict junkie in denial. Time after time you’re hijacking a thread which is about a mass shooting to make it all about you. Every post you write always ends up entirely about YOU and the conflict you’re constantly finding yourself embroiled in. That’s what conflict junkies do. This is some heavy projection from you. Your very first post in this thread was to try and create conflict with **Guin** over some ancient grudge. And you’ve not let up once since. Now you found a target in **Banquet Bear** and keep sustaining the conflict with him, while having the audacity to claim it’s his fault. Oh no, he keeps responding to your and Unrequited Man’s provocations, and refutes bad logic! Teh horrors! Others have refuted the same shit, but you don’t go after them. Thing is, **SlackerInc** is legit. He says awful shit at times, but he believes it. You clearly can’t keep straight what you believe, calling him a troll while defending his point of view. You (and Unrequited Man) are the ones to put on ignore. You’re clearly getting off on this, having found someone to attack in a thread that isn’t about them. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/334 "2019-03-26T18:42:50Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > It’s not the conflict _per se_ that marks you out as a junkie. It’s the fact that you so obviously enjoy it. And, in case you aren’t a sock, you really need to look in a mirror, too. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/335 "2019-03-26T23:01:27Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Thing is, **SlackerInc** is legit. He says awful shit at times, but he believes it. Thanks? ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/336 "2019-03-26T23:29:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > This is some heavy projection from you. > > Your very first post in this thread was to try and create conflict with **Guin** over some ancient grudge. And you’ve not let up once since. Now you found a target in **Banquet Bear** and keep sustaining the conflict with him, while having the audacity to claim it’s his fault. > > Oh no, he keeps responding to your and Unrequited Man’s provocations, and refutes bad logic! Teh horrors! Others have refuted the same shit, but you don’t go after them. > > Thing is, **SlackerInc** is legit. He says awful shit at times, but he believes it. You clearly can’t keep straight what you believe, calling him a troll while defending his point of view. You (and Unrequited Man) are the ones to put on ignore. > > You’re clearly getting off on this, having found someone to attack in a thread that isn’t about them. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/337 "2019-03-26T23:39:45Z")
> [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > After all these years Guin, I note your gigantic ego still has you thinking you’re a self appointed arbiter of taste on behalf of everyone else. …How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > All of us, every single day, are statistically more likely to die in a car crash than a mass shooting. That’s still true, despite your rhetoric. > In what way is it life or death for you? > You can’t change people, you can only change your reactions. Block him and move on. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > Oh puh-leeze… you’re dancing on the graves of 50 dead countrymen so that you can portray yourself as a victim too. If that mass-shooting didn’t happen none of your woe-is-me-too rhetoric would have a voice right now. I can’t stop you lying to yourself but I’m not buying it. > > You’re in denial. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > This is true, up until the point where opponents of your view (whatever your view might be) start to falsely label your rhetoric as hate speech even when it isn’t. And that’s becoming an extremely pervasive tactic. Here’s why… > > The major social media carriers… YouTube, Facebook, Twitter etc etc… they are becoming increasingly sensitive to the many claims which argue they allow hate speech to foster on their platforms. This is why user accounts are being deleted left right and centre nowadays. If you’re a minority of some sort, it doesn’t matter who or what or where, it’s becoming the default “go to” tactic to describe EVERYTHING that you don’t approve of as hate speech, even when it’s not even remotely close to being the case. It’s the new wonder tactic because if enough allegations of “hate speech” are made, even if it isn’t hate speech, action is usually taken against the person/group/mouthpiece who you’re in opposition to. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > Well you know what they say… denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > That’s bullshit logic. Take “Six Degrees of Separation” and apply that concept to a Mass Shooting and what you’ve done is found a way to make every person on the planet responsible, in some way or another. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > Blah Blah Blah… > > You’re a conflict junkie. Worse yet you’re a conflict junkie in denial. Time after time you’re hijacking a thread which is about a mass shooting to make it all about you. Every post you write always ends up entirely about YOU and the conflict you’re constantly finding yourself embroiled in. That’s what conflict junkies do. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > You don’t care? Truly? Are you so incapable of self-insight? The word “denial” was used earlier to describe your claim that you’re not trying to change people through a sustained pattern of insults and conflict. And now, after responding to “Unconstructed Man” no less than 19 times, you’re claiming you “don’t care?” > > Again, none of your rants have anything to do with a mass shooting in New Zealand anymore. Indeed, it’s the height of distastefulness. In the context of this thread and this messageboard, the Christchurch massacre has become little more than a cynical vehicle in which you can satisfy your relentless need to engage in conflict. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > Indeed, and the worst sort. He’s a conflict junkie who lacks the capacity for insight. Most reasonable people would sit back and think _“I’m getting into a lot arguments these days… I wonder what the common theme is?”_ > > But not this guy. This guy is a perpetual victim. Someone who uses that victimhood to manipulate people into getting a certain outcome. And when confronted with their incessant need for conflict, the response every time is _“He made me do it! He made me respond in the aggressive manner I did. He made me type the words I typed!”_ > > You see this sort of stuff all the time. A tragedy will happen somewhere in the world and there’s always that one person who has to jump in and hijack the tragedy to make it all about them by claiming greater voting rights on the victim hierarchy totem pole. How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/338 "2019-03-27T01:03:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? > > How is ANY of that relevant to the Mosque shootings in Christchurch? There may be a common theme here. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169/339 "2019-04-10T16:56:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This is life or death for people like me. I’m not going to put up with his shit any more. Especially in this thread. > [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > All of us, every single day, are statistically more likely to die in a car crash than a mass shooting. That’s still true, despite your rhetoric. > In what way is it life or death for you? Wait, what? A society that is terrorized by white Christian nationalist identity violence definitely is a life-or-death issue for people who aren’t necessarily the ones who are going to be directly killed in a mass shooting. It establishes a hierarchy of violent oppression in society, the same way police violence does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mass-shootings-at-mosques-in-new-zealand/831169.md?page=16)