# Massacre at Wolf 359
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Tags:** star-trek-paramount
**Created:** [September 25, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648 "2023-09-25T00:53:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/1 "2023-09-25T00:53:35Z")
This remarkably well done fan film contains elements not just of Best of Both Worlds and DS9. but of the last season of Picard and the 1996 videogame Star Trek:Borg
[Massacre at Wolf 359](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0plbE8LYE)
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### Author:  [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/2 "2023-09-25T01:10:31Z")
Fantastic! Thank you for sharing that.
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### Author:  [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/3 "2023-09-25T01:55:52Z")
“Massacre” is a buit loaded. To my mind, it was a measured response to an unprovoked incursion of the militant, expansionist human confederation space forces into the Borg Collective Prosperity Zone.
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/4 "2023-09-25T01:57:25Z")
At first we were vehemently against the Borg collective. But once we were assimilated, we couldn’t even imagine leaving it.
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### Author:  [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/5 "2023-09-25T02:00:00Z")
Its implied that the response is in reaction to the events of ENT “Regeneration” and not TNG “Q Who”
…but thats a time loop thing and it makes my head hurt.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/6 "2023-09-25T02:06:58Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#):
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> Its implied that the response is in reaction to the events of ENT “Regeneration” and not TNG “Q Who”
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> …but thats a time loop thing and it makes my head hurt
I haven’t watched _Picard_, but my understanding via reading episode summaries is that between Janeway’s time-hopping in the Voyager finale and the various time shenanigans in that series that the Borg’s history has been borked over eight ways from Sunday and that what remains of them after Picard’s finale are actually a provisional member state of the Federation.
Which raises some interesting fanfic opportunities about drones attending Starfleet Academy, or recruiting willing Federation citizens to join the Collective since presumably the Federation would frown on them reproducing via conquest.
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### Author:  [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/7 "2023-09-25T02:13:40Z")
Mere propaganda, inserted into the history books long after Commander Picard (descended from a line of conquistadors and genociders) abducted the benevolent alien guide Q and forced him to use his powers to penetrate deep into the Borg Collective.
Think about it. The Borg had existed peacefully for centuries, perhaps even millennia before they ever fired a shot in anger at the humans, always taking great pains to understand and integrate new cultures into their peaceful collective. If they had wanted to crush humanity, they wouldn’t have sent just one belated cube hundreds of years after supposed first contact. They’d have sent a fleet.
By contrast, as the uncontested historical record shows, the Borg were wiped out mere decades after Commander Picard’s incursion, albeit not by Picard himself, but by the notorious time-renegade Janeway the Conqueror, who was the first (but surely not the last) to plant the Human Confederation’s flag in Borg home territory. In the end, the peaceful Borg were just one more victim of humanity’s genocidal tendencies.
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### Author:  [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/8 "2023-09-25T02:19:42Z")
[ ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOR_Zkj0GC1IP-EinE9LgAv2oYzL5q1HfUhfIuQMuPQQlVkxUGnlwOYi-fUOEuQNOp0tY&usqp=CAU)
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### Author:  [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/9 "2023-09-25T03:13:16Z")
Anyway, fun video, although it really relies heavily on Sisko’s canonical backstory for dramatic effect, and doesn’t work nearly as well once those segments are done with. DS9 was surely peak Star Trek.
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### Author:  [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/10 "2023-09-25T03:15:14Z")
Im subscribing to paramount plus now cause I miss Trek too much
Im probably the only one here who played the FMV 90s video game Star Trek: Borg, but I find it remarkable they managed to…assimilate…it to such dramatic effect.
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### Author:  [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/11 "2023-09-25T03:21:05Z")
Oh? Is that where a lot of the 90s-looking material I don’t recognize comes from? That is impressive.
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### Author:  [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/12 "2023-09-25T03:28:38Z")
Wolf 359 _was_ an inside job after all!
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### Author:  [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/13 "2023-09-25T03:29:10Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#):
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> Im subscribing to paramount plus now cause I miss Trek too much
You should watch _Strange New Worlds,_ _Lower Decks_, and of course _Deep Space Nine_.
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### Author:  [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/14 "2023-09-25T03:38:27Z")
I’m not sure what the point is. Aren’t we past mere shoot em ups as entertainment? How about some meaning?
We already know what happened, does actually showing it make it better? It actually looks like a clip show.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/15 "2023-09-25T04:18:35Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#):
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> Oh? Is that where a lot of the 90s-looking material I don’t recognize comes from? That is impressive.
The Star Trek: Borg stuff is all the stuff that features the the USS Righteous, that ship that Q comes in and snaps away. The plot of the game (well, interactive movie) is that you’re a cadet who Q sends back in time (from just before the Federation/Borg battle in First Contact) to save your father who died during Wolf 359. When you unexpectedly pull it off (even after being assimilated), Q rewards you by sending the ship off to the future, so as not to alter the timeline too much.
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### Author:  [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/16 "2023-09-25T05:39:27Z")
I appreciate the effort but not a fan. Just hard cuts of various video clips and some other sources (although I admit I didn’t watch much…see below).
And is it just me or is the [shaky-cam waaay too much](https://youtu.be/pj0plbE8LYE?t=85)? I do not remember those episodes with so much shake in them. It made me stop watching within 90 seconds or so (because it actually makes me physically feel a little queasy to watch).
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/17 "2023-09-25T06:03:06Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#):
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> Wolf 359 _was_ an inside job after all!
Dilithium crystals can’t melt steel cubes.
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### Author:  [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/18 "2023-09-25T09:43:50Z")
No relation.
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### Author:  [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/19 "2023-09-25T14:11:39Z")
As an aside, I once postulated a parallel universe in which a “kinder, gentler Borg” did recruiting rather than assimilating. “Compliance is voluntary.”
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### Author:  [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)
#### Post date: [September 25, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-at-wolf-359/990648/20 "2023-09-25T14:17:23Z")
Join the Collective. We have cookies.
My head is not ST canon, but I really believe the Borg Queen didn’t exist until _after_ the events of Best of Both Worlds. She was an “adaptation” to the Borg getting beat by a hierarchical society, and they didn’t like it. “We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.” So they created a new type of Borg, a leader who was also an equal. The “best of both worlds”, as it were. She more or less admits that in First Contact.
The Borg queen was also a trap. She existed to make the Federation think they were dealing with an enemy they understood. They’d treat her like she was in charge, distracting from the truth that they were still a collective. It almost worked.
But like everything in. ST, when they get a good one-off idea, they run it into the ground, then go underground. Like the Mirror Universe. Enough already!
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