Massacre at Wolf 359

Everybody loves the Borg. And, I cannot be bothered to collate “canonical” references, but it is more or less known they will adapt to any attempts to get rid of them. For example, in Picard Capt. Shaw knew that the “kinder, gentler Borg” were irrelevant, and that “the real threat was still out there”. Blowing up a bunch of drones/queens/cubes also does not matter because no group of Borgs is important and even nano Borg probes are self-replicating machines capable of assimilating whatever they need and forming new collectives when necessary.

Wouldn’t only one drone have to attend Starfleet Academy and then the Borg have all attended it?

Yes, as today, tech would require more training and updates but again, if one does it, they all have it.

That could be fun, them all talking about the same instructor, the same jokes, and the same classmates.

I like the conspiracy theories on here! Thanks! As well as other theories, like the creation of the borg queen as a ruse.

I also am tired of the various timelines of Trek. It’s tough to do, though. It’s too bad they ever introduced time travel as casual.

It seems most SciFi franchises get some big enemy that is just too powerful but always has some fatal flaw. It’s annoying. I get why they do it and keep bringing those back but it has to be done well and a lot of time it fizzles for me.

Thanks for the conversation!

They absolutely could swell their ranks with volunteers. There would be billions of creatures across the galaxy willing to join to forget their traumas.

Look we’ve explained this before; You don’t have to melt the cubes to defeat the Borg, you just have to put them to sleep.

All I know is when the cube explodes, you can clearly see the thing is made of plastic and full of fireworks. Seems sus.

Man, assuming the Borg can’t figure out plastics and fireworks seems kinda racist…

I’m just saying i think The Feds still have the real cube and that what we saw was this half-assed special effect with plastic and fireworks.

It makes it more depressing…They treat the cube like the hero in a martial arts movie…taking turns attacking nearly one at a time.
After the first two waves of ships getting destroyed with no impact on the cube and the modulating shields tactic was shown to be no longer effective, any commander who followed that Admiral’s orders to attack are culpable in thousands of deaths.

You think the Borg cube was fake? I say. the entire battle was faked! Probably made up on a computer, or a soundstage somewhere. I mean, who was taking those videos?

Look closely -the USS McGillicudy wasn’t right. You could see a bulge in the lower hull that’s not there on the real ship. And if you look close, you can see the wires suspending the “ships”. Maybe there aren’t really even any Borg! Have you ever seen one? No! it’s just a plot by the Federation-Industrial complex to fund new ships. Wake up, sheeple! Connect the dot!

Ahem…

I wonder how the Holdo Maneuver would work with warp drive ships. Are warp ships enough in “normal” space that you can go to warp and plow right through a cube?

I also strongly believe this. Picard was assimilated just because the Borg wanted the latest info on Starfleet’s readiness. Inadvertently, the Borg gained Picard’s diplomatic knowledge, and concluded that having a single individual acting as a mouthpiece to perform “diplomacy” could be useful in dealing with certain high-risk species. After Picard was removed from the Collective, the Borg expanded on the concept by creating a Queen, which serves as a nexus for the will of the Collective.

I like the idea that the Borg queen is a decoy, but given what we see of the Borg as time goes on it seems like what actually happened is they inadvertently introduced a flaw in their design. The Queen wasn’t supposed to be anything special, just an individual that spoke for and carried out the will of the Collective. But suddenly, every cube had a special room just for the Queen, and the Queen became something not entirely the Collective but not entirely something different either. The Queen was a collective in its own right, comprised of an unknown number of special drones moving through the Borg and influencing the trillions of other minds.

The Queen was a virus of the Borg’s own making. A flaw that turned the Borg away from being an vast redundant system to one centralized around a single point. That is why the Borg got progressively worse as time went on. They accidentally reinvented monarchy, and got all the benefits and downsides that go with it.

It’s worse….I recall a Voyager ep where the Queen smashed up several Borg vessels to threaten Janeway as in

“Gaze upon my power! (Blows up some Borg) their deaths are on your head! Give me what I want or I’ll kill more Borg!”

Janeway was like….”what?? Don’t. Stop. Oh noooooo donnnntndooo that.”

Seems awfully counterproductive

As for the Holdo Maneuver….in my head canon, the instant a vessel in warp contacts a significant amount of matter, the warp bubble pops and the vessel assumes the speed it was at when it went into warp

I like these ideas.

So what you’re saying is, in place of a Locutus, you would have a Queen? Not Picard, but diplomatic and functional as a mouthpiece? A decoy for the humans? Effective as a nexus for the collective? All shall love her, and despair as the premise wears thin…

I actually spitballed this for awhile. The best idea I could come up with is that for security purposes the Federation would have a small group of drones sever themselves from the Collective while they’re serving in Starfleet, and give them a mindwipe of some sort before they rejoined it at the end of their service. I imagine a small group of drones, say 12 or so, attending while linked to each other but not the rest of the Collective, and being assigned to different study paths so that each one of them has access to an entire library of skillsets instead of just one.

I imagine them recruiting people on a sort of temporary basis at first, like an Army enlistment, before deciding who’s worth inviting to become a permanent part of the Collective. Perhaps it even becomes a thing for high school grads who don’t test well enough to get into university to instead do a four-year hitch as a drone building arcologies for Romulan refugees in the Beta Quadrant, and they get sent home with the equivalent of a college degree in astrophysics loaded into their brain.

The Borg have already assimilated Starfleet officers, having access to their memories of the Academy. So if they don’t need direct experience, then they would already have that information. Heck, they already know everything Picard knew.

The Collective who are Federation members due to time travel shenanigans are a completely different hivemind from the Collective that assimilated Picard, as is my understanding.

Before ST decided to keep bringing them back, I liked to think that the cube in BoBW was all of the Borg. Why would they need more than one? They could just keep building on to their cube if they needed more room. It isn’t like it can get too big to turn around in tight spaces. :slight_smile: .

The Borg in Q Who and BoBW seemed quite sure of themselves, and it didn’t seem to me that they thought they could be beaten. One cube is all they need, one cube to rule them all.

The Federations STRENGTH is in their mavericks, their Kirks and Siskos. Picard season 3 spoilers to follow

Am I to believe that NO ONE in Starfleet saw this coming and rigged their ships with a back-up to prevent assimilation or a rogue Admiral or etc…what the scene where the fleet is taken over needed was

“Admiral, the fleet is under control except for that one ship!! The Cerritos. I’ll patch us in…”

"HAHA!! I knew it!! We out!!’

Well something like that. That there were zero ships rigged with back-ups by maverick captains tells me Starfleet deserves to die.

THis has all happened before and will happen again - except for Adama’s ship, that old cranky bastard.

I always thought the best direction to move the Borg was to envision them more like a cult. They no longer assimilate people against their will. They have enough people (though they’re always happy to have more). Instead, here’s a little device for you. Put it on and you can touch The Collective. It’s totally harmless, purely a one-way connection. Have a question? The Collective knows the answer. Have a problem? The Collective already has a solution. Feel alone? The Collective is always there for you. The Collective can give your life meaning. The Collective can help you be the best person you can be, and give you meaning and purpose far beyond your wildest dreams.

You know what? It feels good to be a part of something. It feels good to give yourself to The Collective, to speak in unison with a trillion other voices. Those old problems of yours, they seem so small now, so insignificant.

We’re better now. Beyond all those petty concerns.

We are Borg.