# Massacre in Tunisia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348 "2015-03-19T01:39:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/41 "2015-03-20T17:03:22Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is also true that most of the “jihadist salafist” are takfiri - they feel they can declare other Muslims as apostates and freely kill them. This is the DAESH ideology and the ideology of the most bloody terrorist organizations, like al Qaeda. It is not shared by most of the islamist movements and even of most of the salafiste movements. > > It would be better even for the west to call these organizations not Jihadis but Takfiri. > > It is more accurate and it also is better for the propaganda as the idea of the jihad, the greater or the lesser, can not be easily made negative - although the proper islamic law holds that the lesser jihad must be organized and lawful. But takfir, this is a hateful concept that is widely rejected and has no good basis in traditional law. Calling these people takfiri is a good thing, it highlights their hateful thinking and incorrect knowledge. And that they are pretending to be super muslim but they are engaging in bida3. Good job hopelessly confusing the OP, but I don’t think he’s coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/42 "2015-03-21T01:10:58Z")
I come back every time Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Allah. So the smart money says that I’ll be back. But I do always appreciate a lesson in fraudulent semantics. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/43 "2015-03-21T01:17:48Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > _(and it is a strange form of self centered primitive political tribalism that the reaction to this tragedy is about some american politics in what seems to be a grotesque strawman than it is about the tragedy that these takfiri scum have visited on the tunisians.)_ A core principle of American Exceptionalism is, It’s Always All About Us. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/44 "2015-03-21T01:26:39Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I come back every time Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Allah. > > So the smart money says that I’ll be back. Confirmation bias is a demanding mistress. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/45 "2015-03-21T01:36:50Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I come back every time Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Allah. > … > . Your threads are very enlightening, it’s a shame the cost is so high. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/46 "2015-03-21T02:38:12Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I come back every time Islamic terrorists kill in the name of Allah. > > So the smart money says that I’ll be back. > > But I do always appreciate a lesson in fraudulent semantics. If you had only informed the Tunisian authorities as to who you think are carrying out these acts, maybe all this bloodshed could have been prevented. Please be a little quicker next time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/47 "2015-03-21T02:51:34Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > If you had only informed the Tunisian authorities as to who you think are carrying out these acts, maybe all this bloodshed could have been prevented. Please be a little quicker next time. 1. “Properly” identify the terrorists as extremist radical Islamists 2. ??? 3. Say hello to a wonderful, peaceful, terrorism free world! Simple plan, really. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/48 "2015-03-21T02:51:52Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > But I do always appreciate a lesson in fraudulent semantics. QED. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/49 "2015-03-21T05:04:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Your threads are very enlightening, it’s a shame the cost is so high. By “enlightening”, do you happen to mean “proving, yet again, Stringbean is a knee-jerking, reactionary, bigoted jackass”? If so, then I agree with your description. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/50 "2015-03-21T18:25:50Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Confirmation bias is a demanding mistress. Or, rather, hoping the sun doesn’t rise each morning. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/51 "2015-03-21T20:19:39Z")
The best part of this is the notion that you’re somehow speaking truth to power in pointing out Muslim terrorism, as if that weren’t the overwhelming focus of the entire security state, notwithstanding the actual statistics. Mega-dittoes, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/52 "2015-03-21T22:33:32Z")
I don’t think I’ve ever really addressed the domestic threat of Islamic-fueled terrorism, nor the security state’s response to it. Though I have on several occasions railed against the DHS and (un)Patriot Act. That doesn’t mean that radical Islam poses no threat, just that here in the United States that threat is limited and does not justify destroying Constitutional rights. The problem, as I see it, for many of the liberals on this board is that they also despise the security state. But, as a sort of intellectual corroboration, this compels them to dismiss Islamic terrorism as something of a phantom menace. Bush and Dick fucked up any hope for a non-hyperbolic discussion on the topic, but distaste for “anti-terrorism” enforcement does not mean one can deny the otherwise apparent reality of an Islamist threat. I focus almost exclusively on foreign terrorist attacks, because this confirms my view that the threat exists and also allows me a respite from having to acknowledge that my neighborhood police station harboring anti-ballistic tanks and teams of highly-trained SWAT personnel are perhaps somewhat justifiable. We all have the lies we tell ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348/53 "2015-03-22T20:18:30Z")
Okay, so making distinctions among Muslims is just semantics, but ‘liberal’ is the height of clarity? Get outta town! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massacre-in-tunisia/715348.md?page=2)