# Massive measles outbreak - thank you, Andrew Fucking Wakefield **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119 "2013-04-19T10:56:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/361 "2013-05-09T21:18:38Z")
Speaking of “polarizing” figures: The annual “AutismOne” conference (being held in Chicago May 22-26) is a sanctuary for antivaxers and promoters of bogus autism treatments (among the presenters is a woman who advocates giving autistic children industrial bleach enemas to remove “toxins”). Guess who will be speaking at the conference on “Defending Academic Integrity and Research”? Yep, [Andrew Wakefield](http://www.autismone.org/content/coming-soon-11), the poster boy for unethical and fraudulent research and grotesque conflicts of interest. Wonder how anyone in the audience will be able to keep a straight face. ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/362 "2013-05-09T23:58:33Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Wonder how anyone in the audience will be able to keep a straight face. Because they love him. He’s the only doctor or scientist in the entire world who really understands what they’re going through, and he’s the only one who really wants to help them. He’s a combination of all the saints, with a little bit of God thrown in for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/363 "2013-05-10T00:25:26Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Wonder how anyone in the audience will be able to keep a straight face. Cognitive Dissonance. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/364 "2013-05-10T01:08:14Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Wonder how anyone in the audience will be able to keep a straight face. Botox. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/365 "2013-05-10T03:01:14Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Botox. Homeopathic botox. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/366 "2013-05-10T10:06:10Z")
Bleach enemas. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/367 "2013-05-10T11:03:35Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > Just spare me the task of searching through every post of this thread. Cite for the bolded passage above please? It. Has. Been. Proven. Why, oh why, can’t that be enough for everybody? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2013, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/368 "2013-05-10T12:43:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Botox. Hey, it’s Jenny McCarthy’s [beauty secret](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://tatfortit.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/jennym.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tatfortit.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/gaddafi/&h=423&w=224&sz=22&tbnid=ne3A3wCPYj0-gM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=55&zoom=1&usg=__qw4xvUHHkFma5eSGqnVRlgORsEU=&docid=-0GxIW7EcqlXDM&sa=X&ei=j-qMUYfzGonMywHPpICwDA&ved=0CEUQ9QEwAw&dur=3070). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/369 "2013-05-12T18:20:46Z")
Oh look, the anti-vaxx movement decided that the whole measles outbreak thing was fakery and shot their mouths off. [Surprise, surprise, surprise](http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/anti-vaccine-blunders/) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/370 "2013-05-13T00:35:30Z")
There’s a doozy of a review in the New York Times’ Book Review section today - on Jennifer Margulies’ [“The Business of Baby”](http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/12/books/review/the-business-of-baby-by-jennifer-margulis.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0). The reviewer notes that while the book is written by a journalist and senior fellow in investigative journalism at Brandeis University, it is remarkably simplistic, one-sided and prone to view all mainstream medical care as profit-driven. _"Margulis employs a simple heuristic in evaluating the practices and products associated with childbearing: anything used by mainstream doctors and hospitals = bad; anything used by midwives or alternative healers = good. (She also approves of anything used by Scandinavians; she spends many pages praising the health outcomes of women in Norway and Iceland, without delving deeply into the demographic and economic differences between America and such countries.) Her conviction that what is natural must be good leads her to romanticize not only other countries but also other eras: “In colonial times and during most of the 19th century, the majority of births in America took place at home,” she writes approvingly.“Birthing women were usually attended by informally trained midwives who passed on their skills from generation to generation” — while a birth taking place in a hospital today involves “at least half a dozen medical professionals.”_ Margulies’ nostalgia for the 19th century overlooks how common it was for women and newborns in those days to die or be severely injured by childbirth complications (midwives in the 19th century did not have hospital specialists and neonatal ICUs for backup, but apparently the ability to seek out such information is not taught in investigative journalism classes at Brandeis). The main reason I bring up this book is that Margulies (surprise!) has an entire chapter dedicated to slamming vaccines. "_Margulis…proves unfit for (the role of sorting fact from rumor) in a shockingly irresponsible chapter on vaccines. All of her favorite conceits are here: the money-hungry pharmaceutical companies; the pediatricians who schedule routine immunizations simply to collect insurance reimbursements; the health care workers who patronize and bully women who refuse vaccinations for their children; and the brave parents who “decide that they do not want to intramuscularly inject their child with something that is not part of the natural course of life.”_ I think I may have to reserve a copy of this book at the library so I can give it an appropriate review on Amazon. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/371 "2013-05-13T02:26:40Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I think I may have to reserve a copy of this book at the library so I can give it an appropriate review on Amazon. 🙂 I bought a copy and gave it an appropriate review yesterday. 😃 > **[Check out this Amazon review of The Business of Baby: What Doctors Don't Tell...](https://www.amazon.com/review/R1TBM2VHTIB4T9)** > > Lousy Science From Someone Who Ought to Know Better Margulis is the kind of anti-vaxxer I have no tolerance at all for at all. Her mother was Lynn Margulis the highly distinguished biologist. Her stepfather was Carl Sagan. She has a great job as a distinguished journalism fellow. She’s not an uneducated high school dropout trying to make sense of this issue without a great deal of resources to assist her. She ought to be on the side of reason on this issue (and so many others) and yet she isn’t. It’s inexcusable. The questions she asks and the points she attempts to make are so fucking stupid that I almost literally cannot believe someone with her education and background made them. I think the dumbest one (as I pointed out in the review of the book) is when she writes, “large scale vaccine safety studies have never been compared the immune systems of completely unvaccinated children to vaccinated children nor have we studied the possible long-term damage that may be done to the immune system by multiple vaccines.” I am just fucking astonished that she has the sheer chutzpah to write a sentence that fucking stupid. It’s straight out of the anti-vax playbook and such an obviously dumb question that anyone with any science training or a hint of logical reasoning should not be asking it in the first place. My co-author does an utterly brilliant job of explaining just why in a marvelous piece she wrote for our book’s Facebook page. I am going to quote from it quite liberally as I’m sure she won’t mind: > [@](#): > > [The one study to rule them all–the vaccine denier's dream](http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/study-rule-all-the-vaccine-deniers-dream/) > > **The One Study, or why the anti-vaccine movement doesn’t really understand science** > > Multiple studies in multiple countries using multiple research models and multiple research groups, with multiple funding sources, have found no link between vaccines and autism. This is also true for a link between vaccines and ADHD, asthma, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, and the various other conditions that anti-vaccine propagandists attempt to link to vaccinations. > > Every one of these studies has been dismissed by those anti-vaccine propagandists as having the wrong funding source, the wrong research design, the wrong focus, not separating out antigens from other vaccine ingredients, separating antigens from other vaccine ingredients inappropriately, not testing this, or that or something else. > > The anti-vaccine movement wants ONE study. The One Study To Rule Them All. The One Study that tests every possible aspect of every vaccine. > > This is basically what the AVers are asking us to do. > > 1. Eliminate the use of all vaccines immediately in every country on the planet. Immediately. Regardless of any public health issues currently in existence. > > 2. Randomly sample an acceptable number of children for each experimental and control group for each group discussed below. > > The numbers in each group would need to be in the hundreds or thousands to satisfy statistical requirements for validity and significance, and would have to include children from every country, every ethnicity, every socio-economic status, with every possible genetic combination from parents, and of every possible health history based on parental family health. Anti-vaccine propagandists have rejected studies with 3000 or more subjects, so each group below would need to contain huge numbers in order to satisfy them. But then again, many of them accept 12 subjects (the number in Andrew Wakefield’s fraudulent study) as valid, so who knows? > > Anti-vaccine propagandists are fond of saying “there are plenty of unvaccinated kids already, just use them!” You cannot use pre-existing groups who selectively vaccinate or do not vaccinate at all, because research has shown that these parents have certain differences from other parents, and those pre-existing differences would be a confounding variable in the study. To do a credible study of the kind that the anti-vaccine propagandists are demanding, you MUST randomly sample children, and then you MUST randomly assign them to the groups below. Parents would have no choice about this. > > 1. Obtain permission from parents of children in each group to administer an injection into their child. The parents and children will not know what injection the child is receiving. The parents would not be allowed to have their children receive any injection from any other source, to avoid contamination of the data. Some children in the study would be completely unprotected from any disease outbreak, and their parents would be unaware of whether or not the children were unprotected. > > 2. The injection received may contain any of the following configurations: > > • Just the antigen, in saline. > > • Just saline. This comparison (or control, in scientific terms) group would be necessary for every single group involved in the study. No one in this group would receive any aspect of any vaccine ever, just injections of saline. > > • Just one ingredient of the vaccine (i.e., formaldehyde), in saline. > > • Two or more of the ingredients, in various combinations (i.e., formaldehyde and the antigen, formaldehyde and the aluminum salts, the antigen and the aluminum salts, etc.). For example, according to the CDC pink book, the MMR-II vaccine contains these ingredients (pdf): > > - Vitamins > > - Amino acids > > - Fetal bovine serum > > - Sucrose > > - Sodium phosphate > > - Glutamate (an amino acid) > > - Recombinant human albumin > > - Neomycin > > - Sorbitol > > - Hydrolyzed gelatin > > - Chick embryo cell culture > > - WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts > > So, starting with the first ingredient on the list, we’d have to have a group that received every single vitamin injected, every single vitamin in combination with every single other vitamin, in combination with multiple of the other vitamins, etc. Let’s say there are four different vitamins (A, B, C, D). We’d have to have an A only group, a B only group, a C only group a D only group, an A/B group, an A/C group, an A/D group, a B/C group, a B/D group, a C/D group, an ABC group, an ABD group, an ACD group, a BDC group, and an ABCD . > > That’s 15 comparison groups for four ingredients. Then, we’d have to have a group for each vitamin in combination with each other ingredient – vitamin A combined with sucrose, B with sucrose, D with sucrose, etc. Then we would have to test each other ingredient in various combinations with other ingredients. Again, thousands of groups, each having hundreds or thousands of children to cover all combinations mentioned above. > > The above breakdown of possible combinations would have to be repeated for every vaccine, for every booster, and for every possible combination of boosters. > > 1. Follow every single child in every single group throughout the course of their entire lifetime (which, with current life expectancy, can be 70-80 years in developed countries), monitoring every medical/health condition that develops, and comparing those rates for each and every group above. If a single of the thousands of study groups lost a single participant (through moving, withdrawal, death, etc.), the Avers would declare the entire study null and void, even though such attrition is to be expected, and is controlled for in the study design. > > 2. Compare each group above for every possible illness or medical/health condition. > > 3. For each and every group mentioned above, we’d have to create a control group in which the children received no injection at all, of anything. No saline, no antigen, nothing. > > 4. Remember that the anti-vaccine movement wants each vaccine tested individually, THEN in combination. So, we’d have to have one generation of children receiving the above breakdown of ONE vaccine over an entire lifetime, then another generation of children receiving the above breakdown of ANOTHER vaccine over an entire lifetime, etc., until all vaccines have been tested individually. Then and only then do we start testing vaccines with boosters. > > Then after that, vaccines in combination, but only two at a time. Then three at a time. This requirement would mean that the study that would fit the criteria demanded, the One True Study, would last until approximately the heat death of the sun. > > This doesn’t even get into the ethics of the various groups, the sampling difficulties, or the enormous amounts of money that would be required (money that could not come from any government, any governmental agency, any institution of higher education, or any scientist who’s ever done vaccination research in their career). > > At this point, it should be apparently that such a study is not possible. > > It’s also not necessary. > > Various studies have addressed various aspects of each of the embedded questions in the above scenarios, and in combination, those answers address the concern of the anti-vaccine movement. > > For example, one ingredient used in vaccines are aluminum salts (not elemental aluminum, as is claimed). These are used as an adjuvant, to create a stronger immune response so that less antigenic material is required. The safety of these adjuvants has been well established. That’s just one meta-analysis of the studies of the safety of one ingredient. It’s not part of The One Study that anti-vaccine propagandists want, though, so they reject it. > > Think of the studies as a jigsaw puzzle. The puzzle isn’t one piece. It’s many pieces that fit together, making a total picture. The total picture on vaccinations is that they are safe and save lives. > > Science isn’t about The One Study. It’s about ALL the studies. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/372 "2013-05-13T03:16:27Z")
Nice review. Speaking of nonfactual assertions in Margulis’ book, this is my new favorite: “In America even the doctors most vocally championing the CDC’s current schedule are choosing an alternative vaccine schedule for their own infants.” Like who, for instance? Or should we just take this glurge on faith? Margulis will be appearing at the AutismOne quack-fest in Chicago later this month (the same conference that will feature Andrew Wakefield speaking on “Defending Academic Integrity and Research” and the Geiers pushing their hormonal therapy for autism (Mark Geier being the physician who [lost his medical license](http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/health/controversial-autism-doctor-mark-geier-loses-licenses-in-missouri-illinois/article_c46771ff-94bd-5fe5-9162-32d80d8140c9.html) in multiple states over his Lupron chemical castration protocol for autistic children). Margulis will be [sharing a platform](http://www.autismone.org/content/unexpected-power-stories-science-and-social-change) with other distinguished :dubious: authors like Louise Habakus. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/373 "2013-05-13T04:22:33Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Nice review. > > Speaking of nonfactual assertions in Margulis’ book, this is my new favorite: > > “In America even the doctors most vocally championing the CDC’s current schedule are choosing an alternative vaccine schedule for their own infants.” > > Like who, for instance? Or should we just take this glurge on faith? > > Margulis will be appearing at the AutismOne quack-fest in Chicago later this month (the same conference that will feature Andrew Wakefield speaking on “Defending Academic Integrity and Research” and the Geiers pushing their hormonal therapy for autism (Mark Geier being the physician who [lost his medical license](http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/health/controversial-autism-doctor-mark-geier-loses-licenses-in-missouri-illinois/article_c46771ff-94bd-5fe5-9162-32d80d8140c9.html) in multiple states over his Lupron chemical castration protocol for autistic children). Margulis will be [sharing a platform](http://www.autismone.org/content/unexpected-power-stories-science-and-social-change) with other distinguished :dubious: authors like Louise Habakus. Thank you. My god that conference is a line up of lunatics and their quackery. Jenny McCarthy, homeopathy, Dan Olmsted, Jake Crosby. One woman is apparently arguing that her child with Down Syndrome got leukemia not because DS kids are far more suspectible to the illness but because of vaccines. Because 95 days after her kid got her MMR vaccine, the poor girl got leukemia. As a parent I have to wonder: who the hell notes the exact days so long after a vaccine? I keep track of the one my kids get for only a few days to make sure they’re okay. I wish I lived in Chicago so I could show up and protest. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/374 "2013-05-13T15:38:33Z")
Time to post the old story of how someone got [booted from AutismOne](http://www.skeptical-science.com/critical-thinking/booted-autismone/) for no real good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/375 "2013-05-13T17:21:31Z")
There you go, Chicago-area Dopers - if you want to attend AutismOne and not be recognized as skeptical infidels, be sure to wear your nose-glasses and giant clown feet. You’ll fit right in. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/376 "2013-05-13T18:16:59Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Speaking of “polarizing” figures: > > The annual “AutismOne” conference (being held in Chicago May 22-26) is a sanctuary for antivaxers and promoters of bogus autism treatments (among the presenters is a woman who advocates giving autistic children industrial bleach enemas to remove “toxins”). Holy (and clean) shit. Can we just go down the list of people who register and call Child and Family Services on them? > [@Jackmannii](#): > > Guess who will be speaking at the conference on “Defending Academic Integrity and Research”? > > Yep, [Andrew Wakefield](http://www.autismone.org/content/coming-soon-11), the poster boy for unethical and fraudulent research and grotesque conflicts of interest. Now _that_ Alanis, is ironic. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/377 "2013-05-13T20:38:58Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > My co-author does an utterly brilliant job of explaining just why in a marvelous piece she wrote for our book’s Facebook page. I am going to quote from it quite liberally as I’m sure she won’t mind: Quote away 🙂 That Margulis book is offensive in the amount of stupid and unproven claims that are made. If there were justice in the world, Andrew Wakefield would be in jail. Instead, the anti-vaccine movement keeps sucking his dick and worshiping him as a saint. The AutismOne conference is a critical mass of stupid as well - how anyone can justify giving autistic children, many of whom are non-verbal, enemas of industrial bleach and at the same time refuse to protect them by vaccinating them will be one of the great mysteries of this era. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/378 "2013-05-13T22:01:03Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > The AutismOne conference is a critical mass of stupid as well - how anyone can justify giving autistic children, many of whom are non-verbal, enemas of industrial bleach and at the same time refuse to protect them by vaccinating them will be one of the great mysteries of this era. I thought this was some kind of joke and then I googled it. What. The. Fucking. Fuck. Those people are psychopaths and their kids should be taken away from them. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/379 "2013-05-13T23:28:27Z")
Even worse than the parents are the folks who administer such dangerous therapies. They were so threatened by comments made by a 17 year old kid from Wales that they threatened him with legal action and [e-mailed an image of his house!](http://rhysmorgan.co/threats-from-the-burzynski-clinic/) ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/380 "2013-05-14T01:04:54Z")
Burzynski does unproven quack cancer treatments, not industrial-bleach-enema treatments for non-verbal autistic children. But there’s a lot of overlap between the nutbars in those communities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119.md?page=20)