# Massive measles outbreak - thank you, Andrew Fucking Wakefield **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119 "2013-04-19T10:56:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/701 "2013-09-09T04:58:31Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > What would be the point of my adding more to what has already been posted? You have already shown to be incapable and unwilling to view the subject in an objective manner. Ah. Since no one has answered any of those questions at all, you did just come in here to be an ass. Gotcha. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/702 "2013-09-09T05:14:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Ah. Since no one has answered any of those questions at all, you did just come in here to be an ass. Gotcha. 🙂 I believe other posters posted links that show immunization statistics here. Is that not true? ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/703 "2013-09-09T05:18:07Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > To be fair, Texas is sort of a third world country, due to it’s proximity to Mexico. We have the same problems here in Southern California - one cannot eliminate diseases that have vaccines if we have people coming who have never had access to the shots. Who, exactly hasn’t had access to the vaccines? Please be specific and provide accurate information. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/704 "2013-09-09T05:32:17Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > I believe other posters posted links that show immunization statistics here. Is that not true? And I asked some followup questions on them. > [@CBEscapee](#): > > Who, exactly hasn’t had access to the vaccines? Please be specific and provide accurate information. Wondering why I should, since you haven’t answered any of my questions. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/705 "2013-09-09T05:40:26Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > And I asked some followup questions on them. > > Wondering why I should, since you haven’t answered any of my questions. In other words, they offer cites to back up ther point of view but you need further proof? But you make a claim that people have no access to vaccines but refuse to offer even the slightest information on how you came to that conclusion. Since you make the claim, isn’t it your responsibility to provide proof? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/706 "2013-09-09T05:42:44Z")
This brings me back to when carol stream used to post here. Ah, the memories of intractable stupid. Also, loving the unvarnished racism, curlie. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/707 "2013-09-09T05:42:49Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Is it for more than measles? Are you immunizing everyone or just school children? Wow, being more of a dumbass, I see. The links we already provided (not for your benefit, as it’s obvious you haven’t read them at all, or you’d see your questions were already answered before you asked them), show immunizations are available to anybody who wants them. In the case of adults, a couple decades of sustained vaccination of children means they’re good to go as well. We’ve been told for a few generations that reading is power. It’s true! Unfortunately, you seem to have avoided this lesson. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/708 "2013-09-09T05:48:03Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > In other words, they offer cites to back up ther point of view but you need further proof? But you make a claim that people have no access to vaccines but refuse to offer even the slightest information on how you came to that conclusion. Since you make the claim, isn’t it your responsibility to provide proof? Did I ask for further proof? No. Did I provide a cite? Yes, yes I did. Have you answered any of my questions? No. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > This brings me back to when carol stream used to post here. Ah, the memories of intractable stupid. > > Also, loving the unvarnished racism, curlie. Too bad you don’t know what the definition of that word is. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/709 "2013-09-09T05:50:10Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Did I ask for further proof? No. > Did I provide a cite? Yes, yes I did. > Have you answered any of my questions? No. > > Too bad you don’t know what the definition of that word is. We know what intractable means. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/710 "2013-09-09T05:50:19Z")
So what do you call it when someone blames a population of another ethnicity for a societal problem without proof? I call it curlcoating. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/711 "2013-09-09T05:58:12Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Did I ask for further proof? No. > Did I provide a cite? Yes, yes I did. > Have you answered any of my questions? No. Forgive me, I can’t seem to find the cite you say to have made substantiating your claim that there are many people in your part of the US that have never had access to vaccines. Could you please repost it or inform as to where it can be found? ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/712 "2013-09-09T06:08:21Z")
[http://www.censia.salud.gob.mx/contenidos/vacunas/interm\_vacunas.html](http://www.censia.salud.gob.mx/contenidos/vacunas/interm_vacunas.html) [http://salud.edomex.gob.mx/salud/cartillas.htm](http://salud.edomex.gob.mx/salud/cartillas.htm) > **[Dra Tramadol things: Photo](https://dratramadol.tumblr.com/image/6249304134)** > > Lo que no cabe en el twitter va al tumblr Curlcoat, there is more than enough information in those links to prove that your assumptions that people in Mexico have no access to vaccines are completely erroneous. Only an asshole could deny this fact. ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/713 "2013-09-09T06:41:04Z")
I completely deny the fact that people in Mexico have access to vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/714 "2013-09-09T08:10:13Z")
I suppose it’s an interesting intellectual exercise to delineate the points at which vaccine denialists are [fractally wrong,](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness) [not even wrong,](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong) or other forms of wrongness. In any event, let us continue with Episode #209n2jinv9oayw3092 of the ongoing series. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/715 "2013-09-09T09:07:15Z")
I have to say, many thanks to those that have engaged **curlcoat** in the latest revival, and thank you for your cites and quotes. While others may not be as dense as the above poster, there are many who believe (even if they are pro-vaccines), that rates in other countries are dismally low. It is good to see data about vaccination rates in other places. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/716 "2013-09-09T10:56:17Z")
Hey look, a [mumps outbreak in the Jersey Shore area](http://littlesilver.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/djais-closed-this-weekend-over-mumps-scare_c2225b18) - with a nightclub as its center. One confirmed case, 26 being investigated. Median age is 27, with all being adults except for one preschooler. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/717 "2013-09-09T11:31:34Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Hey look, a [mumps outbreak in the Jersey Shore area](http://littlesilver.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/djais-closed-this-weekend-over-mumps-scare_c2225b18) - with a nightclub as its center. One confirmed case, 26 being investigated. Median age is 27, with all being adults except for one preschooler. Man, that preschooler must have had a _really_ good fake ID. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/718 "2013-09-09T14:35:36Z")
> [@KarlGrenze](#): > > I have to say, many thanks to those that have engaged **curlcoat** in the latest revival, and thank you for your cites and quotes. > > While others may not be as dense as the above poster, there are many who believe (even if they are pro-vaccines), that rates in other countries are dismally low. It is good to see data about vaccination rates in other places. It is odd, but in many poorer countries the citizens of that country will do everything they can to ensure the health of their children. They have probably seen these diseases kill someone in their lifetime. So unless you get some crazed religious fanatic who declares that vaccines are used by the West to make Muslim men sterile the vaccination rates of those countries are much higher. I liken it to how countries having their first elections have very high turnout rates, they know the participation is crucial. Conversely, vaccine avoidance is usually a spoiled soccer mom thing in the US, worthless stains of parents hoping to ride the herd immunity so that their precious little thing doesn’t chance a reaction or just inventing utter crap about one of the most effective and important life-saving medical products in human history. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/719 "2013-09-09T14:37:56Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, I have no idea about any immunization program there, Not that that stopped you from spewing your uninformed opinions about it. > [@](#): > > not that you provided any information on it. Ah, so it is \*his \*fault you spewed out worthless crap that was easily debunked with 5 seconds of Googling. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/720 "2013-09-09T14:54:32Z")
Thanks for your work again, guys - I have once again learned things about vaccination that I didn’t know before. You guys rock! 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119.md?page=37)