# Massive measles outbreak - thank you, Andrew Fucking Wakefield **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 19, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119 "2013-04-19T10:56:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1081 "2015-02-05T17:33:18Z")
Stuff like [**this**](http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/05/hpv-vaccine-gardasil-has-a-dark-side-star-investigation-finds.html) on the anti-HPV vaccine Gardasil, doesn’t help. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1082 "2015-02-05T18:09:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [And now RWs are blaming immigrants for the measles outbreak.](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/05/the_rights_measles_canard_what_a_ridiculous_new_attack_on_immigrants_says_about_gop/) Well, the anti-vaxxers are desperately trying to claim it is ‘vaccine shedding’ which is farce. They are already declaring that is the true cause. On the other hand, what do the RW’ers call tourists? Temporary illegal immigrants? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1083 "2015-02-05T21:02:39Z")
And now it’s infected five infants less than a year old in a [Chicago daycare](http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/chi-measles-palatine-20150205-story.html). Their patient zero hasn’t been identified, other than as an adult. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1084 "2015-02-05T22:43:04Z")
This just in: Even California [is getting sick of anti-vaxxer excuses](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/02/california-moves-ban-all-vaccination-exemptions). ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1085 "2015-02-06T19:59:57Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > There’s some important information here that needs to be spread to help people learn the truth. [http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/](http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/) [Here](http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-pros-and-cons-of-vaccinating-children,35731/)’s a more balanced take on the issue ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1086 "2015-02-10T08:14:33Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > now 102 cases in 14 states for the year. That was a week ago. Now it is 121 cases in 17 states and Washington, DC. [http://outbreaknewstoday.com/measles-outbreak-up-to-121-cases-nationwide-71474/](http://outbreaknewstoday.com/measles-outbreak-up-to-121-cases-nationwide-71474/) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1087 "2015-02-10T21:16:01Z")
[Did you really think it couldn’t get any worse?](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/the_way_god_intended_california_parents_are_having_measles_parties_instead_of_vaccinating_their_kids/) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1088 "2015-02-10T21:33:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Did you really think it couldn’t get any worse?](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/the_way_god_intended_california_parents_are_having_measles_parties_instead_of_vaccinating_their_kids/) If those parents don’t face criminal charges then I would say any insurance company should reject paying for the costs of the child’s inevitable hospitalization. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1089 "2015-02-10T21:34:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Did you really think it couldn’t get any worse?](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/the_way_god_intended_california_parents_are_having_measles_parties_instead_of_vaccinating_their_kids/) From that site: ““People did this with chicken pox all the time,” said Art Reingold, an epidemiologist at UC Berkeley’s School of Public Health in an interview. ”Parents would have kids lick a lollipop and give it to other kids, or mail it to other kids… The basic notion is ‘This is my opportunity for my kid to get immune the old fashioned way, the way God intended.’”” Yeah, measles ain’t Chicken Pox dumbshits. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1090 "2015-02-10T22:16:42Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > From that site: > > "“People did this with chicken pox all the time,” said Art Reingold, an epidemiologist at UC Berkeley’s School of Public Health in an interview. ”Parents would have kids lick a lollipop and give it to other kids, or mail it to other kids… The basic notion is ‘This is my opportunity for my kid to get immune the old fashioned way, the way God intended.’” It was a fucking stupid idea then and it’s a fucking stupid idea now. However, now I know who to invite to the Bubonic Plague party I’ve been dreaming of. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1091 "2015-02-11T00:35:41Z")
I’m waiting for the HPV parties. Those should be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Clarisse\_McClellan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Clarisse\_McClellan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clarisse_McClellan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1092 "2015-02-11T03:28:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Did you really think it couldn’t get any worse?](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/the_way_god_intended_california_parents_are_having_measles_parties_instead_of_vaccinating_their_kids/) [Not true](http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/measlesparties.asp) according to Snopes. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1093 "2015-03-03T19:44:32Z")
OK, a question for those who know more about the crap anti-vaxers make up than I do. Someone I know claimed Bill Gates’ polio vaccine killed a bunch of people in India and gave a bunch more polio. Like 10,000+ (each) I’d never heard this claim before and just replied that India had [recently been declared polio free](http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/india-polio-3-years/) so we were at an impasse. Can anyone fill me in? (I fear the sites I’d be led to if I did I Google search) Is there a quick shut down to this claim? I know it’s a threadjack, but I figured these are the people who would know 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1094 "2015-03-03T19:50:22Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > OK, a question for those who know more about the crap anti-vaxers make up than I do. Someone I know claimed Bill Gates’ polio vaccine killed a bunch of people in India and gave a bunch more polio. Like 10,000+ (each) > > I’d never heard this claim before and just replied that India had [recently been declared polio free](http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/27/health/india-polio-3-years/) so we were at an impasse. > > Can anyone fill me in? (I fear the sites I’d be led to if I did I Google search) Is there a quick shut down to this claim? [From here.](http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-denialists-hate-bill-gates/) > [@](#): > > Another antivaccination group is pushing the story that Gates is at fault for 47,500 paralysis cases after polio vaccine in India. However, the CDC has reported that there have been no cases of polio in India since 2011, compared to the 741 case in 2009. > > The paralysis cases were identified as non polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis, which can result from any number of non-polio viruses or bacterium. In this case, non-polio enteroviruses were identified as the cause, and not polio that resulted from the vaccines themselves. There’s a crapload of antivax/natural medicine sites pushing the vaccine kills story. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1095 "2015-03-03T21:34:56Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1096 "2015-03-06T17:08:07Z")
> [@SpazCat](#): > > It was a fucking stupid idea then and it’s a fucking stupid idea now. > > However, now I know who to invite to the Bubonic Plague party I’ve been dreaming of. I actually want to organise rabies parties. Line up to get nipped by Ray the Rabid Raccoon! However, I am a complete bastard. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1097 "2015-03-17T14:49:36Z")
> **[Yes, Low Immunization Rates Are Responsible For The Measles Outbreak, Study...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2015/03/16/yes-low-immunization-rates-are-responsible-for-the-measles-outbreak-study-suggests/)** > > How can we be sure that the current measles outbreak is really due to too few people getting vaccinated? And what was the immunization coverage of visitors at Disneyland during the days the virus was circulating there? A study in JAMA today addresses... Study claims that low vaccination rates led to measles or something. I’ll be honest with you, I only read the first paragraph of the story. I get distracted easily. (They lost me at “math”) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1098 "2015-03-17T15:21:39Z")
Having returned to the SDMB after a long hiatus I’d normally be thrilled to see a thread I started still going strong. Alas, it’s this one - and for all the wrong reasons. Thanks to all those still fighting the good fight against t3h st00pid. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1099 "2015-03-17T16:04:11Z")
We also missed out on Jimmy Kimmel’s hilarious anti-anti-vaxx PSA that resulted in a complete meltdown of the anti-vaxxers, in particular Mike Adams, who went thermonuclear dumbass and accused Kimmel of being the equivalent of being racist and gay-bashing. With the measles outbreak, we are seeing the anti-vaxxers getting more an more shrill. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119/1100 "2015-04-14T14:58:58Z")
So what does it take to change an anti-vaxxer’s mind? [Seven of her kids getting Whooping Cough.](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/anti-vaxx-mom-abandons-movement-after-all-seven-her-of-her-kids-get-whooping-cough/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/massive-measles-outbreak-thank-you-andrew-fucking-wakefield/656119.md?page=56)