# Matrix 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 23, 2000, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982 "2000-12-23T07:50:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/1 "2000-12-23T07:50:19Z")
Any clues to what the sequel of “The Matrix” is going to be about. I’ve seen quite a few things on the web, but I’d like to know which rumor is true. Any good sources out there? ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/2 "2000-12-23T16:28:49Z")
[http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/matrix2.html](http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/matrix2.html) ---
**Author:** ![SpinneZiege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@SpinneZiege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpinneZiege)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/3 "2000-12-23T17:11:05Z")
All I know is that Jet Li is going to be an agent and that they’re also making a third sequel to the Matrix. You might want to read more of Plato’s Republic, which the Wachowski brothers blatantly ripped off the [Allegory of the Cave](http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_1/plato.html) for the Matrix. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/4 "2000-12-23T18:40:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpinneZiege \* > You might want to read more of Plato’s Republic, which the Wachowski brothers blatantly ripped off the [Allegory of the Cave](http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_1/plato.html) for the Matrix. Believe iot or not, there are some of us who are capable of coming up with the ideas in _The Matrix_ without reading Plato. It’s hardly an uncommon idea. I was thinking about such things when I was six years old. That’s why I love this movie. It’s fun. I heard somewhere, from a totally unreliable source, that Keanu has signed for two more movies. ---
**Author:** ![SpinneZiege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@SpinneZiege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpinneZiege)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/5 "2000-12-23T20:03:48Z")
Yes, many of the ideas I’m sure any little punk in diapers could come up with, but you do have to consider how many references to the Allegory of the Cave which were in the Matrix, along with a whole lot of biblical and Lewis Caroll (Alice in Wonderland) allusions. I’ve also taken the liberty to look up the [Matrix’s website,](http://www.whatisthematrix.com/) which has a whole lot of cool comic books they might build upon. (I know what’s on my x-mas list now!) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/6 "2000-12-23T20:13:18Z")
Just a minor correction, but as I understand it, they’re not “making” the second one and “will make” the third: I had understood that all three movies were made simultaneously, so 2 and 3 are already finished, but just being delayed to add suspense. This also presumably means that, at least potentially, there could be leaks by people who worked on it and already know the plot. ---
**Author:** ![kbutcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/db5fbb/32.png) [@kbutcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kbutcher)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/7 "2000-12-23T20:14:39Z")
This brings to mind one of my favorite quotes: “Good artists create, great artist steal” Who cares if they stole it, that was a really good movie. ---
**Author:** ![SpinneZiege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@SpinneZiege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpinneZiege)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/8 "2000-12-23T20:19:20Z")
Perhaps I should change my wording of it. They changed it so that a late-20th century audience would understand it. Images of virtual reality capture more attention than those of marionettes. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/9 "2000-12-23T21:39:27Z")
Here’s the scoop on [Matrix 2](http://www.cinescape.com/links/mvmatrix2frames.html)\* from [Cinescape Online](http://www.cinescape.com/). There is a possibility that the info contained in the linked article is inaccurate, but Cinescape is right on most of the time. Minor correction of **Chronos** : They are going to make 2 and 3 at the same time, but they are not already finished. It looks like they’ll be released in theaters only a few months apart which I think is awesome. \*This was the best way I could think of to link directly to the Matrix info because of the use of frames on that page. If you feel that you must view that article the way the web designer intended, click the Cinescape link, click “movies” on the left, then selct Matrix 2 from the select menu on the right. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2000, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/10 "2000-12-23T23:53:03Z")
All the surviving characters are back. Including Agent Smith. The next two movies start shooting in January in Sydney Australia. Both films shot back-to-back. Nobody seems to know much about what the plot is. My best guess is they continue to release a lot of people out of the Matrix and into the real world. (Personally, I’d prefer the Matrix - and I’m guessing there’d be many others who would too) Jet Li will **not** be in it. But Michelle Yeoh will instead. I’m not really looking forward to these movies much, as I am not a particularly huge fan of the first one. But I come across info about it every so often while I scan the movie-news sites. ---
**Author:** ![nowalls99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e68b1a/32.png) [@nowalls99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nowalls99)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2000, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/11 "2000-12-24T00:05:13Z")
Just wondering if anyone else is a little scared of the Matrix 2. Since the last movie was released, Time Warner merged with AOL. I’m worried that I’m going to see Neo IM Trinity using AOL messenger. If they want to destroy the Matrix, installing AOL would be a great way to do this, but if they use it for anything else, I might have to refrain from purchasing it when it’s released on DVD. I doubt they’ll do anything that stupid, but it still makes me wonder. Anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Lexicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ac8455/32.png) [@Lexicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lexicon)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2000, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/12 "2000-12-24T00:14:52Z")
Well, I was checking out IMDB and it listed Hugo Weaving as Cypher… Um, didn’t he like, die in the first one, or something? What’s the deal? Is he going to be “borged” into an agent, or what? In any case, I think it’s a mistake on the part of IMDB. _GASP!_ Say it aint so! We will just have to wait until 2002 to find out… ---
**Author:** ![SpinneZiege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@SpinneZiege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpinneZiege)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2000, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/13 "2000-12-24T00:58:06Z")
If that merger works out, then AOhell-Time-Warner will be the Matrix. They will replace whatever Matrix existed beforehand (I’d go for either Viacom or Ted Turner’s empire). I can’t believe the FTC is letting them do this. ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2000, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/14 "2000-12-24T01:41:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lexicon \* > \*\*Well, I was checking out IMDB and it listed Hugo Weaving as Cypher… > > Um, didn’t he like, die in the first one, or something? What’s the deal? Is he going to be “borged” into an agent, or what?\*\* Just trying to recall something off of the top of my head here-- you never actually saw him die, and near the end when you see several body bags, you only see enough for the ‘good guy’ corpses. I’m too tired to try to recall exactly how many there should be (Mouse, Tank, Switch, Apok? Someone correct me) but supposedly there should have been one extra one. Of course, that could be explained away as saying that they didn’t bother to give any respect to his corpse … On the topic of the Matrix, though, I’ve got a nagging question that’s affected my enjoyment of the movie. The basic premise is that humans have ‘escaped’ the Matrix and are out in the Real World (Nebuchadnezzar, etc) and are struggling to free the rest of mankind. However, if I were a super-intelligent AI making a Matrix, wouldn’t I make another level of it so people who think they’ve escaped are actually still just in it? I mean, how are they so sure that they’re in the Real World? Eh. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2000, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/15 "2000-12-25T00:43:00Z")
Huh? Hugo Weaving played Agent Smith, not Cypher. Must be another glitch in the Matrix. ---
**Author:** ![silent\_rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@silent\_rob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silent_rob)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2000, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/16 "2000-12-25T01:01:00Z")
I’m surprised someone hasn’t pointed it out already, but there’s more specific references to William Gibson’s _Neuromancer_ than there is to _The Allegory of the Cave_. While things borrowed from _The Allegory_ are more general concepts, actual names and such were borrowed from or adapted from _Neuromancer_. Examples: The name of the city Zion that is a refuge, two black pilots of the ship (one of which has the same name, I believe), the whole jacking in thing (alright, I know, this is a standard of Cyber Punk, but _Neuromancer_ was one of the first), at points when the cowboy in _Neuromancer_ is wired in he can’t tell if it’s real or not, and at the end of Gibson’s book a self-aware artificial intelligence is created calling itself…the Matrix. There are several other references, though I can’t remember right now. Though I would not call this ripping off Gibson. Paying homage to him would be a better way to put it. I’m a fan of Gibson and I really like _The Matrix_. Can’t wait for the next two. Incidentily, William Gibson wrote an afterword for the new book _The Art of the Matrix_. ---
**Author:** ![SpinneZiege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@SpinneZiege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpinneZiege)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2000, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matrix-2/46982/17 "2000-12-25T15:46:40Z")
Neuromancer? Well, I have to say that Neuromancer has influenced almost every book in the cyberpunk genre. But the whole theme, and not the setting, is what I am saying that the Allegory of the Cave is the Matrix. If someone would like, I would write a very long post, but I have to go how. Cheerio!