# Matt Walsh: Climate alarmists, I can’t take you seriously until you start living like the Amish **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2017, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702 "2017-05-02T08:30:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/201 "2017-05-06T19:15:54Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I have re-read it. And I don’t come to the same conclusion that I would vote to ban smoking in the office. Since you’re struggling to separate your personal likes from a simple mathematical model, \*\*just pretend you aren’t involved and it’s 50 people with the utility functions as described. \*\* It isn’t THAT hard, they teach this to first year students. Please, please read this: > **[Prisoner's dilemma](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma)** > > The prisoner's dilemma is a game theory thought experiment that involves two rational agents, each of whom can cooperate for mutual benefit or betray their partner ("defect") for individual reward. This dilemma was originally framed by Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher in 1950 while they worked at the RAND Corporation. Albert W. Tucker later formalized the game by structuring the rewards in terms of prison sentences and named it the "prisoner's dilemma". > The prisoner's dilemma models many real-wo... It is a math and game theory problem, dude. It’s a very, very simple part of economics. If you can’t get this, you don’t get the rudimentary economics you need to understand any of these issues. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/202 "2017-05-07T02:55:51Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Don’t get hung up on the cactus. > It’s just a message board cactus. It’s not real. Right. “Go fuck a cactus” is just “fuck off” with a bit of extra invective. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_White\_Dope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/22d042/32.png) [@Great\_White\_Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_White_Dope)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/203 "2017-05-10T12:12:39Z")
**[Obama Uses Private Jet, 14 Car Convoy to Get to European Climate Change Speech](http://ijr.com/2017/05/867816-obama-uses-private-jet-14-car-convoy-get-european-climate-change-speech/)** I laughed. P.S., there are multiple videos at the link. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/204 "2017-05-10T12:47:41Z")
You is a silly bitch ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/205 "2017-05-10T12:52:50Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#): > > **[Obama Uses Private Jet, 14 Car Convoy to Get to European Climate Change Speech](http://ijr.com/2017/05/867816-obama-uses-private-jet-14-car-convoy-get-european-climate-change-speech/)** > > I laughed. > > P.S., there are multiple videos at the link. Ah, your use of a large font has convinced me. I cannot argue with it. Clearly your job here is done and you can move on. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/206 "2017-05-10T12:56:02Z")
I’m sure there’s a point buried in there somewhere. Presidential security is unimportant? The president of the united states should be flying coach and taking the bus? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/207 "2017-05-10T13:11:53Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’m sure there’s a point buried in there somewhere. Presidential security is unimportant? The president of the united states should be flying coach and taking the bus? Why, yes of course. Don’t you remember Ronnie Reagan flying coach and riding his bike to events? Even today, W bops around Dallas on a segway. Why is it that right wing retards like document their stupidity on a daily basis? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/208 "2017-05-10T13:57:29Z")
I try to think myself down to the level where that argument makes any fucking sense, but I can’t, because as a matter of principle I refuse to lower my intellect past the level of “old world monkey”. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/209 "2017-05-10T14:07:33Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#): > > **[Obama Uses Private Jet, 14 Car Convoy to Get to European Climate Change Speech](http://ijr.com/2017/05/867816-obama-uses-private-jet-14-car-convoy-get-european-climate-change-speech/)** > > I laughed. > > P.S., there are multiple videos at the link. Hey dipshit, you’re slipping. You could have used this to start another whole new thread, and then never come back to respond to counter arguements. Way to spoil your bid for troll of the month. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/210 "2017-05-10T15:10:05Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#): > > **[Obama Uses Private Jet, 14 Car Convoy to Get to European Climate Change Speech](http://ijr.com/2017/05/867816-obama-uses-private-jet-14-car-convoy-get-european-climate-change-speech/)** > > I laughed. > > P.S., there are multiple videos at the link. It is official then, the dope here must shit in the woods :)… Nah, for sure he does belong to the “Sanitation smart grid” we all use. And so the argument here once again is idiotic, the real hypocrisy would be for the proponents of change to not pay their bills when the change they proposed becomes a reality. [QUOTE] It took a considerable investment for all those pipes bringing water to wash with and to take the waste away the revolution and hygiene involved an extensive infrastructure of toilets and homes sewers underneath our city's water treatment plants. Today we might call it **the Sanitation smart grid.** So how much did all this cost? Not that much if you consider the millions of lives saved with clean water prevention of diseases like cholera and typhoid. Something like 1% of the economy and very round numbers and that’s more or less the estimated cost of switching the world to a sustainable energy system that doesn’t dump fossil fuel co2 into the public space. Cleaning up the city’s took decades and even centuries and we’re trying to do things a little faster but the revolution in waste management shows that we can do big things to get benefits but none of us would ever walk away from. [/QUOTE] Except, the Big Dope here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702.md?page=10)