# Matt Walsh: Climate alarmists, I can’t take you seriously until you start living like the Amish
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [May 2, 2017, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702 "2017-05-02T08:30:33Z")
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### Author:  [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/61 "2017-05-02T20:47:12Z")
So, Matt Walsh should take in all the homeless people, that should solve the climate change alarmist hypocrisy issue. There, done.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/62 "2017-05-02T20:50:40Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#):
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> Presumably step one would begin “Milk cows.”
I suppose, if all other recipes start with “Go to the store” or “Head out to your garden”. 🙂
My post was more about the link than the recipe. 😃
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/63 "2017-05-02T21:00:17Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> What logical fallacies would these be, Didactylos?
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> Being skeptical of a claim when said claimants don’t behave as if they believe it is in no way logically fallacious. It’s common sense.
First congrats as your ignorance appears to be great you have a very well picked username.
We can solve the climate change issue without living like the Amish. It is quite doable and in doing so we can also reduce air and water pollution as a bonus.
Increased power from easy renewable resources like Solar & Wind
Scrubbers on the stacks of coal plants and incinerators
Low emission cars (which usually save gas and reduce dependence on foreign oil)
More fuel efficient aircraft (see note for cars),
Improved electrical distribution system that reduce waste and improve the electric grid to reduce down time like the 11-15 days many of us suffered in Sandy.
Increase in power plants using Nuclear, Natural Gas and Hydroelectric power
Increasing the efficiency of appliances (saving owners money in the long run)
Increasing insulation of houses (saving home owner money in the long run)
Switching to LED lighting. (saving owners money in the long run)
Planting Trees!
and there is more, but this was off the top of my head.
Myself, I am 95% LED lighting, my lightly used workshop is mainly use Florescent work lights with some LEDs, I have nearly 10k watts of solar panels on my roof and I drive a Prius which I’ve had for 7 years now. I compost my yard clippings, etc.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/64 "2017-05-02T21:09:17Z")
OK, here it is, the first step in the Amish butter recipe:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm74cXOvYqE)
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/65 "2017-05-02T21:14:45Z")
> [@Slash1972](#):
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> I fail to see what lack of simple answers for the entirety of the homeless problem has to do with what YOU personally can do to help a homeless person.
We have. [The kid and his friends walked out with about four grand worth of DVDs and of CDs.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487056)
You found that cactus yet?
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/66 "2017-05-02T21:24:05Z")
Does Matt Walsh believe in God? If so, why doesn’t he kill himself to meet God sooner?
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### Author:  [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/67 "2017-05-02T21:40:25Z")
At least the OP didn’t say that environmentalists should join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.
One could extract a decent debate from this about the role of so called ethical consumerism versus government action in tackling various social ills, whether it’s poverty, pollution, or capitalism itself. The problem with breaking everyone down into individuals is it’s not particularly efficient, these are systemic problems of large scale. It’s difficult and time consuming for individuals to analyze every piece in the supply chain, and the people who would even try would be a small percent of the population. There’s also some obvious class problems here, as the rich can splurge on more expensive products to peacock their righteousness or salve their guilt. Voting with your dollar isn’t actually democracy, given widespread inequality.
If you’re interested in protecting the environment you should take steps to be energy efficient to the extent you’re able, especially if you’re a well off, but individual action isn’t the whole story.
> [@Jophiel](#):
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> This is very bit as solid an argument as “Everyone who supports a war has to send all their children to die there”
Why is this mistaken? Practically, sure, but morally? Seems like the golden rule to me. If a war is so important you’re willing to send other people’s kids to die, you should be comfortable having your own sent. Or even yourself, personally. That’s collective sacrifice. It’s not the best anti-war argument, especially given the amount of militarism in some cultures, but it can out a lot of hypocrites and maybe spark some empathy or make the person calculate how much they really support the conflict.
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> or “You can’t be against abortion unless you adopt every unwanted child”.
This is like the argument that you can only support immigration if you would let a bunch of Mexicans and Syrians live in your house. It’s confusing individual and systemic solutions again. One could be against abortion and for expanded childcare, welfare, contraception, sex education, and all the rest. That these rarely combine in American political life is a cultural quirk.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/68 "2017-05-02T21:44:12Z")
This isn’t really a recipe, but I just have to recommend this French country terrine I’m having with a glass of wine. I usually have something like cheese or a fine-textured paté, but this stuff is rough-textured with discrete blobs of different flavors and textures and is really quite wonderful. So is the Château du Bois Chantant Cabernet I’m having with it.
The bonus is that the paté was flown in from France on a jet that, like, emits emissions, and the wine (also from France) probably came in by ship which also emits, like, emissions. I understand that the rustic French emit a good deal of emissions all by themselves. As someone who frequently posts about climate change, the hypocrisy makes it all taste so much better. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [May 2, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/69 "2017-05-02T22:30:36Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> On behalf of all the current and former (such as myself) homeless people: go fuck a cactus.
> [@Slash1972](#):
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> This seems a strange view to take. Would you care to elaborate?
C’mon, **manson1972** , you can see he’s got you wriggling in the crushing grip of reason and logic.
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### Author:  [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/70 "2017-05-03T00:13:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> C’mon, **manson1972** , you can see he’s got you wriggling in the crushing grip of reason and logic.
Well that’s true. I’m drinking Bud Lite now to try to restore some sanity after an anonymous message board poster called me names!
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### Author:  [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/71 "2017-05-03T00:14:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> We have. [The kid and his friends walked out with about four grand worth of DVDs and of CDs.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487056)
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> You found that cactus yet?
Yes, that does suck. And I’m sorry that happened to you.
I still don’t understand the cactus reference though.
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### Author:  [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/72 "2017-05-03T00:32:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#):
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> Well that’s true. I’m drinking Bud Lite now to try to restore some sanity after an anonymous message board poster called me names!
Ya’ just don’t care, do ya’?
Water off a duck’s back and all that.
> [@Bricker](#):
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> C’mon, **manson1972** , you can see he’s got you wriggling in the crushing grip of reason and logic.
\*You \*are smart enough to know that the OP is a crock of shit and \*\*manson1972 \*\*is being a disingenuous arsehole.
But you may be just \*lawyerly \*enough to not get past the imperfections in **Tranquilis** ’s analogy or the unapologetic ire in **Skywatcher** ’s insult. A pity that you’re choosing to let that make you side with an idiot.
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### Author:  [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/73 "2017-05-03T00:58:11Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#):
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> Ya’ just don’t care, do ya’?
> Water off a duck’s back and all that.
Do I care what an anonymous person on a message board says about me? No, not really. Do you?
> [@](#):
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> \*You \*are smart enough to know that the OP is a crock of shit and \*\*manson1972 \*\*is being a disingenuous arsehole
Why would you say I am being a disingenuous asshole? An asshole I can understand, but disingenuous?
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/74 "2017-05-03T01:04:34Z")
> [@Slash1972](#):
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> Do I care what an anonymous person on a message board says about me?
I dunno, you simpering fuckstick.
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### Author:  [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/75 "2017-05-03T01:07:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> I dunno, you simpering fuckstick.
That seems weak. Better than “hoser” I suppose.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/76 "2017-05-03T02:39:44Z")
So does anonymity matter to you or not?
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### Author:  [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/77 "2017-05-03T05:31:34Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#):
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> BTW, did we settle whether this is Rutgers.troll or DerekMichaels.troll?
This is definitely an example of the not very elusive\* cameronus incogitatus\*. DerekMichaels is the sock currently posting that women find men’s junk disgusting.
Compare the two OP’s quoted below. Both begin with some tweet-driven nonsense about someone identified as a liberal who nobody’s heard of tweeting something and continues with a series of links about internet RO about it, and ends with a challenge for SDMB liberals to speak up about it.
Notice the introductory phrase “As I’m sure those of you who haven’t been living under a cave are aware…” in post A and “Those of you over the age of, oh, 16 months will immediately recognize…” in post B.
At the end of each, the ravenous cameronus pleads for the food he craves: “But why are we hearing crickets from the feminist Left on this issue? Seriously? … To anyone who disagrees with me, I’d love to hear your arguments on this.”, and: “Are there any liberals here willing to stand up and call out this shameful race-baiting…”
> [@Where is the liberal and feminist outrage over misogynistic attacks on Melania Trump by Bow Wow?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-liberal-and-feminist-outrage-over-misogynistic-attacks-on-melania-trump-by-bow-wow/782295/1):
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> I’m getting more and more disgusted by the overt hypocrisies of the liberal, feminist left.
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> **As I’m sure those of you who haven’t been living under a cave are aware** , Snoop Dogg made a gratuitous video in which he literally performed a _mock execution_ of President Trump, he shot at a clown version of Trump. Pretty disgraceful to be joking about killing the President of your own country.
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> Anyway, naturally, Trump complained about this despicable act on Twitter:
> \*[“Can you imagine what the outcry would be if @SnoopDogg, failing career and all, had aimed and fired the gun at President Obama? Jail time!”
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> — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 15, 2017]([x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/841967881516679168))\*
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> Trump’s tweet was not taken well by one of Snoop Dogg’s acolytes, Bow Wow, did not take kindly to Trump’s comment. He was consumed with anger that the President of the United States might take umbrage at an individual making a music video and performing a mock execution on a clown caricature of him with a gun pointed at the clown’s head.
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> So, he decided to get personal, going from 0 to 100 real fast with this misogynistic bile aimed at Trump’s wife Melania:
> \*[Ayo @realDonaldTrump shut your punk ass up talking shit about my uncle @SnoopDogg before we pimp your wife and make her work for us.
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> — Shad Moss(Bow Wow) (@smoss) March 15, 2017]([Bow Wow | Mediaite](http://www.mediaite.com/online/bow-wow-threatens-to-pimp-first-lady-over-trumps-tweet-about-snoop-dogg/))\*
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> Threatening to forcibly pimp the fucking President’s wife? This vicious, misogynistic garbage is really a disgusting way to talk about the First Lady of the damn Free World. If a political opponent of Obama’s had made a similar scurrilous remark about Michelle Obama, the feminist and liberal women’s groups would rightly be up in arms in outrage. I know I would.
> But why are we hearing crickets from the feminist Left on this issue? Seriously? Is it okay to make misogynistic remarks about a remarkable woman if that woman happens to be a Republican and married to a Republican politician? It’s pretty sad and pathetic in how hypocritical this shows the Left to be.
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> It appears that these sanctimonious feminists don’t really care about misogyny when it comes from their side of the aisle.
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> **To anyone who disagrees with me, I’d love to hear your arguments on this.**
> [@Overprivileged White Lady Calls "Okay" Gesture "White Power" Gestur, Fake News Sites Report It...](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/overprivileged-white-lady-calls-okay-gesture-white-power-gestur-fake-news-sites-report-it/785551/1):
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> . . . and both get made to look like completely-idiotic left wing shills.
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> First, the OWL’s tweet:
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> [http://i.imgur.com/lvyaSGy.png](https://twitter.com/emmaroller/status/858155641684320256)
> \*\*
> Those of you over the age of, oh, _16 months_ will immediately recognize\*\* that gesture as the universally-accepted hand signal for “okay.” This fact was rubbed in Ms. Overprivileged’s face, not unlike a disobedient puppy getting his face rubbed in his own droppings.
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> First, it was pointed out that the white power gesture shown in [her referenced “evidence”](https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/white-power-hand-sign) is an _entirely different gesture_. Seriously. They’re not even close to the same.
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> [https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/max\_650x650/public/images/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/white-power-handsign-2.jpg](https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/max_650x650/public/images/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/white-power-handsign-2.jpg)
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> If that wasn’t enough, the shaming continued when several uses posted photos of famous non-whites and liberals _using the exact same alleged white power gesture_: Obama, Oprah, Beyonce, both Bill and Hillary Clinton, etc.
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> [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-jkaVMWsAA5woO.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-jkaVMWsAA5woO.jpg)
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> [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-lyYJJUIAAFAMv.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-lyYJJUIAAFAMv.jpg)
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> [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-nZpAsUwAAuql9.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-nZpAsUwAAuql9.jpg)
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> We end with a hilarious gif of Jean-Claude Van Dam giving the “white power gesture” while performing the splits:
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> [http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/okwinkjean-claude-van-dammeapprove.gif](http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/okwinkjean-claude-van-dammeapprove.gif)
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> Of course, none of this refuting evidence did anything to change Ms. Overprivileged’s stance, nor the stance of her fellow liberals. Their [mentally ill, ideologically-driven minds](https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/study-leftists-mentally-ill/) were already made up. _The okay gesture **is** the white power gesture, and no amount of counter-evidence will change that alternative fact._
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> **Are there any liberals here willing to stand up and call out this shameful race-baiting, character-assassinating, nonsensical behavior from their left wing brethren?**
In summary, he is asking for Amish recipes.
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### Author:  [@Great\_White\_Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_White_Dope)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/78 "2017-05-03T06:40:03Z")
We’ve established that asking scientists to adhere to their crucial, deeply-held, planet-sustaining, humanity-sustaining beliefs is asking for far too much.
What about one of Matt’s other points, the history of failed predictions and hysterics from climate change alarmists?
When the preacher stands on the street corner shouting out “the end is near!,” only to proven wrong, time and time again, we call him nuts. When the climate alarmist does it? We call it science.
Why is that? Shouldn’t scientists be held to _much higher standards_, not lower, which is what we’ve seen.
Keep in mind, too, that the argument against climate change alarmism isn’t but a single piece of evidence, but a whole mountain of evidence, all pointing decidedly in one direction: Climate change being politically-motivated power-and-money grab masquerading as science.
[ul]
[li]Alarmists living like they don’t believe their own claims.[/li][li]Alarmists with a sordid history of failed predictions.[/li][li]Alarmists now claiming everything is a result of climate change: floods, droughts, more natural disasters, less natural disasters, heatwaves, cold fronts, etc. Climate change “predicts” every possible outcome, a hallmark of pseudoscience.[/li][li]The Climategate scandal, which showed peer review corruption, data manipulation, etc.[/li][/ul]
I mean, come on . . . climate change alarmism is every bit as dubious as those silly TV psychics, you just can’t accept it because deep down inside you have a political commitment to the idea. It’s a core tenet of modern leftist ideology.
Let’s not kid ourselves here, people.
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### Author:  [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/79 "2017-05-03T06:56:43Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> What about one of Matt’s other points, the history of failed predictions and hysterics from climate change alarmists?
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> When the preacher stands on the street corner shouting out “the end is near!,” only to proven wrong, time and time again, we call him nuts. When the climate alarmist does it? We call it science.
All right, if you hold this point, it should be no problem for you to point to peer-reviewed literature making predictions you consider “hysterical” that ended up being wrong. Hell, if you want, you can even include the IPCC, even though it isn’t peer-reviewed.
(Discounting, of course, ones where the prediction in question was wrong because we specifically took action to mitigate it - such as the “global cooling” papers from the 1970s, whose predictions were wrong because we took a concerted, global effort to tamp down the aerosol pollution responsible for the predicted cooling.)
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### Author:  [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)
#### Post date: [May 3, 2017, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-walsh-climate-alarmists-i-can-t-take-you-seriously-until-you-start-living-like-the-amish/785702/80 "2017-05-03T07:03:22Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#):
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> The Climategate scandal, which showed peer review corruption, data manipulation, etc.
Similarly, I welcome you to cite the emails from the Climategate “scandal” which you feel show “peer review corruption” or “data manipulation”. I assume you can provide them in context, with your explanation of what you think the emails _mean_, so as to avoid the kind of stupid mistake FOX News made where they saw “hide the decline” and thought the climatologists were talking about a decline in global temperatures, rather than a decline in proxy data due to a well-known problem with dendrochronology; and that they were trying to hide something from us, rather than publicly and openly discussing their methods in the publicly-available peer-reviewed paper they were discussing in private. 🙂
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