You really do, dude. Getting treated, and yes, that often means getting medicated, causes lots of these horrifying fears that are ruling and ruining your life to go away. POOF! P is for Prozac, but it’s also for Perspective in a Pill, and it’s time to pull yourself together long enough to talk to a doctor. And it’s okay to wear your mask because I know how scary medical offices can be.
If you get sick even when not exposing yourself to other people, then how will preventing exposure via masks and such help?
Not to mention absolute, positive MAXIMUM protection will do the exact opposite of what you want to do – you won’t build up an immunity to anything.
Western abnormal psychiatry makes me sick. Why do you subscribe to a system of complete, total, and utter negativity? It’s a black hole of pessimism. The recognition process of atypical brain types is 5 star, except for calling every single difference a “DISORDER”. This negativity itself can be a form of delusion. Why is everybody that’s different sick and diseased? Why don’t we give atypical brain types equal plusses and minuses, analyzing their positive and negative functions in society and how to counter negative effects? Total negativity without clinical recognition of the powers and enhancements of atypical brain types is DELUSIONAL.
I am an extreme case of the brain type that the DSM labels “ADHD”. I hate the term because it’s the only word I have to describe my brain type, and the only medical thing people understand. It’s a simple differently functioning brain; my thoughts move around more sporadically than other brains. This allows distraction (negative) and CREATIVITY (positive). Why don’t I have Attention Creativity Power? Some of the most creative and great people of history had “mental disorders”. Give me a break. Their brains functioned differently, allowing them many positive attributes to help steer the course of humanity. Saying all these people should have taken the proper medication to weaken their creativity is clinically absurd. It’s a form of psychosis to deny basic reality and form views that are not in touch with basic data.
Let’s say I get 10 flues a year, and when I wear a flu mask I get 2. There’s 8 days more a year to live. Yes, it comes at an inconvenience (the main one being people like you laughing at my flu protection method and calling me sick), but maybe the inconvenience is worth it if my pure statistical data I get sick less. You are actually a cause of the problem because many people who might think to wear a flu mask might decide against it for the pure reason that you’re going to look at them as different and say they have a DISORDER.
You’re not trying to categorize something that has all negative effects as sickness. You’re categorizing anything that’s different as sickness. You say that the negatives of ABC benefit never outweigh the benefits. This is absurd. Someone concerned with germs is not intrinsically mentally sick. They are scientifically studying the systems around them and acting wisely in light of them. Someone who doesn’t intensely study germ behavior simply has a higher infection rate. All doctors suggest hand washing as a prime means of flu prevention. In a slightly different world, only “germ studiers” would know this, and then by your rules they would obsessive by washing their hands several times a day.
The germ-wise are armchair experts of medical science. They don’t need to be individually studied by a scientific team over the ***entire course of their life ***via quantifying the ratio of health benefits to negatives (e.g. stress, and depression from social oppression from you) of their behavior, in order to prove that their concerns and behavior had medical benefits (whether or not they profited in the entire total grand net balance of all data, since you’re not addressing the precision of the success/failure ratio, you’re just calling the entire damn thing sickness; you’re in clinical denial).
You would have a case for a total sickness diagnosis intrinsically necessitating medication, if their germ concerns were invisible to you, without any scientific evidence or proof they have value. You lose that case in light of there being millions of deaths globally (or on an akin scale) for XYZ disease. It’s a simple argument: “I’d rather not die of a disease any time soon; I’m going to go to XYZ precaution methods”. If you say that concern is intrinsically fallacious, then that’s precisely isomorphic to the premise that people don’t die of diseases.
Do you wear a seat belt even though you’ve never been killed in a car accident? Do you actually need an retroactive afterlife analysis of the freedoms of not wearing a belt vs. the tragic timing of your death, to weigh your decision making process and its results? In a slightly different world everybody would be wearing a flu mask the way we wear safety belts, and then you’d call the 0.01% people who don’t wear their mask disordered.
Just imagine a world where safety belts don’t exist. 2 or 3 people on Earth inventing them and telling everybody else to wear them, pointing to all the high car accident death rates and all the physics of their invention, would either be considered insane, or pure geniuses. Hence you’re picking a flipped coin whether to call germ-conscious people crazy vs. wise.
No, I get sick constantly when I’m exposed to others. It’s been a somewhat convoluted thread; what your commenting on is my point that in the past my immune system has in some ways functioned cyclically. Simply, my system has functioned differently at different times. Viruses are generally all around us, hence if our immune system is operating under capacity, we will be more sensitive to the germs that are there that we don’t pay attention to. Also, your system is constantly fighting off infections you don’t even know are there because it’s fighting them off quite well at a normal rate. If I have a system that provides more more immunity one day and less another, then when I get sick, it’s either because A) I’m susceptible to incoming contaminants that happen to be around at that time or that I get exposed to while my system is unguarded, and/or B) my system lessens it’s fighting of germs already in my system. (If you don’t rest, your flu may get worse, and it may persist indefinitely if you keep pushing yourself or eat poorly.)
You can just ignore that whole theory, it’s a hard case and a distracting point; we’re light years from my actual question of what ways there are to prevent illness. Just suppose I’m asking what people with AIDS should do to protect themselves. People should have that information whatever their reasons for wanting germ protection.
You have a major point, but everything has to be considered. E.g. your philosophy fails for people with AIDS and 1 T-cell left. “MAXIMUM” protection is the only option then, hence my bafflement that there aren’t better systems and products to protect people who want elite protection. Germ Darth Vader suits should be as commonplace as wearing a turtleneck or fur hat.
Pointing out negatives of high germ protection doesn’t apply specifics to every case and person, it simply says there’s a spectrum. In extreme application, your argument promotes being the most germ-exposed person on the planet, because that person will have the best immune system! That won’t fly with the massive death counts we have globally to people on high-end exposure. Yes, a downside of germ protection is a lower ability to develop *internal *barriers, but the upside is having controllable *external *barriers. They’re both great!
Just one little correction.
I’ll leave it for someone else to do the math, but your statement that it has a “50% kill rate” is absurdly, wildly and ridiculously incorrect.
That’s all I’m going to say in this thread.
You get the flu 10 times a year? Their aren’t 10 different strains of flu out there to catch in a given year.
Every single thing you’ve said about how your immune system supposedly works directly contradicts everything we know about how immune systems ACTUALLY work, based on decades and decades of scientific research. You are wrong. This is in your mind. Your immune system IS NOT DOING what you think it’s doing.
/Smeghead, with a degree in microbiology and 95% of a PhD
Since everything else does, I shouldn’t be surprised.
Yeah, you seem to have a disorder. You’re not some extra-special snowflake indigo child, you’re just a wee bit nuts, like me and a lot of other people. Okay, I’ll admit you’re crazier than I am, but that can be fixed with a tuneup and regular maintenance. No car stays showroom perfect without regular care and neither do you, so come down off your high horse, admit you’re a mere human, and get some help.
And for God’s sake, quit thinking about your problems so much. Your ideas are mostly wrong and they are preventing you from getting better.
Some of us take advantage of western psychiatry because the alternative is far worse. For me, it’s not just being “different”. For me, it’s being depressed and anxious and obsessed. It was keeping me FROM being creative, or from finding joy in anything. Many of those creative people you speak of ended up drinking themselves to death, if not outright committing suicide. Such a waste. I would rather give up some creativity if means not having to suffer what I did in the past. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.
Look, if you want to wear a surgical mask, hey, knock yourself out. But don’t pretend you’re somehow “different”, or “special”. You don’t have AIDS, you don’t have cancer. You’re just a hypochronic – which has jackshit to do with your immune system.
Based on the OP’s posting history, I’m guessing no return to this thread, and then a few months from now after an appropriate period of silence…moar crazy, where s/he yet again posts a question then argues with articulate and presumably very knowleagable respondents (I am not including myself in this description.)
Hopefully squish7 gets the help she needs sooner rather than later. This is clearly not a physiological problem.
So you don’t want rational answers that could actually offer some help because it’s not what you want to hear? I don’t find utter negativity in knowing that I could be (and was) helped through a course of treatment involving drugs and self-awareness of how I am not perceiving the world as it really is.
Yeah, but admit it: You do miss the hallucinations, don’t you?
Or is that just me?