# May 1, NC Teachers are Out! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 5, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111 "2019-04-05T23:13:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/101 "2019-05-02T20:47:01Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s still weird to me. If, one day, you said “I’m on strike!” and started walking around your school with a sign, they could arrest you and you’d face criminal charges? If that’s the case, that’s horrible. Iirc, even FDR was against government unions. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/102 "2019-05-02T22:40:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You mean the part where you complain Ruken did not write a complete post? Which is funny. I put in as much effort as he did into his OP, which was essentially just “I’m really in favor of all these demands.” If you can’t even make an argument, then there’s nothing to refute. And he’s since admitted that graduate degrees have not been shown, on average, to benefit students. But he hasn’t retracted his support of the measure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/103 "2019-05-03T00:05:05Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Which is funny. I put in as much effort as he did into his OP, which was essentially just “I’m really in favor of all these demands.” If you can’t even make an argument, then there’s nothing to refute. > > And he’s since admitted that graduate degrees have not been shown, on average, to benefit students. But he hasn’t retracted his support of the measure. Um, okay. I’ve said pretty much all I want to say on the grad pay issue, but if you’ve not read the whole thread, or if you have and don’t find my points compelling, keen. But your mischaracterization of my posts is contemptible bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/104 "2019-05-03T00:11:38Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You mean the part where you complain Ruken did not write a complete post? > > I think I wrote more than he did. I just reviewed the thread, and yeah, you totally did. I misremembered the exchange, in which he argued his point so cursorily that I went ahead and Devil’s Advocated it, complete with links, and then explained why the position he could’ve argued was unpersuasive to me, in that post and a few follow-ups. My apology for suggesting that you wrote what he wrote; instead, you wrote basically what I wrote when I imagined him making a complete argument :). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/105 "2019-05-03T03:12:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Iirc, even FDR was against government unions. That’s correct. See the long quote from FDR in the wiki article on purpose bloc sector unions in the US: > **[Public-sector trade unions in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-sector_trade_unions_in_the_United_States)** > > A public-sector trade union (or public-sector labor union) is a trade union which primarily represents the interests of employees within public sector or governmental organizations. > Labor unions generally bypassed government employees because they were controlled mostly by the patronage system used by the political parties before the arrival of civil service. > Post Office workers did form unions. The National Association of Letter Carriers started in 1889 and grew quickly. It had 52 branches wi... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/106 "2019-05-03T03:23:11Z")
Stupid auto-correct. That should say “public sector unions” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/107 "2019-05-04T01:20:51Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So I realized I made a mistake in my previous post. It is only striking that is a criminal offense. Collective-bargaining is just considered null and void. Wow. In Canada, collective bargaining and striking are both constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111/108 "2019-05-04T01:28:25Z")
While I can certainly understand the teachers desire to strike I still HOPE they dont. I remember back in the 70’s KCMO teachers had a month long strike that the district never fully recovered from. Their should be some other recourse like a judge whom can listen to the case and they should be able to issue orders to make whatever changes are needed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-1-nc-teachers-are-out/832111.md?page=5)