# May I be very un-PC and tell the truth re: Hilton? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2007, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223 "2007-06-08T04:44:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kokopilau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Kokopilau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kokopilau)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/101 "2007-06-08T17:22:24Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] No doubt. And **Kokopilau** is proving to be an excellent Doper in his/her responses in this thread and others. I hope that after all the windmill tillting he/she’s been doing of late, he/she doesn’t decide to ditch the boards altogether. [/QUOTE] Thank you again! Nope, I’m not planning to go anywhere. I lurked here for a couple of years before finally giving in and laying down the dosh for registration, so I’m plenty familiar with the boards and posters. I have gotten all tangled up in stuff I probably shouldn’t have bothered with, true. But some of the things that were said that I responded to just bugged me. A lot. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/102 "2007-06-08T17:27:26Z")
[QUOTE=Kokopilau] Because Paris Hilton is also described as an heiress, and that apparently hasn’t seemed to bother your overly-semantic self any. [/QUOTE] Hey, we don’t want any anti-semantism in this thread! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/103 "2007-06-08T18:00:50Z")
[QUOTE=Taber] Hey, we don’t want any anti-semantism in this thread! [/QUOTE] Why not? **GuyNBlueJeans** seems to be anti-semantic. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/104 "2007-06-08T18:15:50Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Why not? **GuyNBlueJeans** seems to be anti-semantic. [/QUOTE] OK, guys, the pressure is killing me. I must finally confess. I am anti-Symantec. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/105 "2007-06-08T18:24:35Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] OK, guys, the pressure is killing me. I must finally confess. I am anti-Symantec. [/QUOTE] Go away Peter Norton. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/106 "2007-06-08T18:29:42Z")
This is for Ted Koppel and his buddy in crime, Rupert Murdoch, AND all of the other sell-out-the-truth Liberals in the news media: Nice going! Look at how well you’ve managed to brainwash these people! Your little media minions are doing a most brilliant job of running with this Paris Hilton crap, and yet these filthy, worthless scumbags in the clip have gone under the American pop-culture radar, thanks to your phoniness! (It must have broken your hearts when you first heard that the victims were Caucasians, as then you knew you wouldn’t be able to rub the collective American psyche into it the way you did with the tragedy involving James Byrd. Oh well, phonies, just keep hanging in there, one day you’re bound to get lucky again!) Look at how some of your brainwashed saps (in here) deal with what I’ve done. One says that he didn’t even view the clip, but takes shots a me anyway. Another overlooks the horror of what the scumbags have done to those BEAUTIFUL CAUCASIANS while making an issue out of the outfit that setup the clip. Amazing. And still others “boldly” (LOL!) proclaim that I’M the “racist” for calling out you pieces of shit for the campaign of racist lies you’ve used against Caucasians with your powerful TV cameras! Hey, Koppel, you piece of crap, why didn’t you ever once invite and challenge Louis Farakhan to come on your Nightline program and ask him about his comment to Barbara Walters in their much-hyped interview when he told her that Jews are like bloodsuckers in the way that they (supposedly) are always taking from blacks? Why didn’t you have him on your show and explain to him that while Jews are a very, very small percentage of the world’s population, they have accounted for a BILLION TIMES more good things in this world in terms of scientific and invention achievements than the huge percentage of blacks in the world have ever even dreamed of?!! But there’s no point in possibly embarrassing him, right? I mean he might “feel” bad. Hey Murdoch, you phony piece of worthless shit, where do you get off thinking that you’re God and that you have been anointed to come to this country and pit Caucasians against all other races the way that you’ve so magnificently done with your lies, half-truths and – let’s not forget! – BOGUS GUILT?! I know that to you I’m a big nothing; and that you’ve no doubt become insanely happy with hysteria to see that these idiots have taken up your cause by trying to make it seem like I’m some kind of “racist.” That’s fine. But the thing is, phony, any time that you and these brainwashed liberals ripping me (in this place) care to compare who put their pocketbooks towards helping out down and out Africans, we can do that! You and all of these liberal jackasses here at the Dope, look at your bank statements for the past 5-years and compare what percentage of dollars you’ve donated from the total of your bank accounts and we’ll compare those numbers to mine. (I’d bet 99% of you supposedly “caring” people never gave so much as a dime!) Murdoch, you rotten piece of shit, you’ve got tons of money and wherewithal, scumbag, so it shouldn’t be any problem for all of us to go on national TV and reveal to the world just who’s principled and who isn’t, right?! (This would be a golden opportunity to trash a “racist” in front of the world, shit-head! COME ON, LET’S DO IT!!) Hey Koppel, you piece of dirty-rotten shit! Where were you when Kristopher Kime got his brains stomped into the Seattle asphalt five years ago during Mardi Gras? You know what I’m talking about. The young man walked into a situation in which mobs of blacks – that didn’t even know each other! – singled out a BEAUTIFUL young Caucasian woman and were in the process of killing her on account of the fact that they didn’t like her being Caucasian! And so the BRAVE, young Mr. Kime stepped into the fray and dragged her to safety, only to have those SPOILED- ROTTEN, RACIST BLACKS TURN ON HIM AND KILL HIM!!! Koppel! Why didn’t you tell the world what had happened!!! Why didn’t you and your pathetic Nightline team of “investigative reporters” (LOL!) set up a town hall meeting asking those filthy, RACIST, shit-head, spoiled blacks where they got off stalking Caucasians that night?!! And why didn’t you ever make a mention during the 28-years that you hosted Nightline that Caucasians layed their lives down by the tens of thousands to free blacks from slavery?! (Or wouldn’t Murdoch give you the green light to bring some “fair and balanced” truth for once in order to get blacks to have some perspective about things? The fact that you didn’t proves that you’re a fucking coward!!) Why, Koppel, didn’t you ever make a mention from your far-reaching Nightline pulpit that while it’s true that blacks in the past got a very raw deal with slavery and discrimination, it’s also a fact that blacks benifit ENORMOUSLY from the unmatched inventive and scientific genius of Caucasians, whereas Caucasians benifit very little from similar genius from blacks. (There are more chapters in life to be written, so, with a little heart-felt encouragement, that could turn around, as black folks have as good of brains as anyone else. Though somehow, Koppel, you piece of dirtly, filthy vomit, I doubt that you’d want to be a part of doing anything that doesn’t involve your long-running message of “Whitey’s holding blacks down!” at this point in time, right?) Murdoch, you piece of filthy, dirty-rotten scumbag shit! Why do you have all of your media minions so blatantly stabbing Caucasians in the back the way they do? Do you honestly think that we’re so stupid that we have no clue as to why you’ve got 'em all doing this “people of color” shiit at every chance they get?! We know what that’s about, you FUCKING ASSHOLE!! You may think that you can get away with marginalizing and polarizing us all you want; but the Truth will ultimately prevail, as you know full-well that you-know-who saw to THAT!!! Hey Koppel, you sorry, phony, lying, piece of foreign trash! Please know, sir, that I’m making it my business to poison your name and rep on the Internet at every chance I get. And, if you don’t like it, then BY ALL MEANS have your dirty attornies send me one of those “cease and desist” letters, as that way I can tell you to KISS MY ASS AND BRING IT ON!! I’d LOVE nothing more than to get in a court of law with you while the entire world looks on as I show them Nightline segment after dirty Nightline segment of your two-face fucking ass shitting on Caucasians (while pocketing millions of dollars)!! YOU – MOTHERFUCKER!! – were the one most responsible for the death of Kristopher Kime and the two Caucasians in this video clip!! YOU, KOPPEL, brainwashed millions of people of all colors into thinking that each and every Caucasian that’s alive today is the descendant of a slave owner (while nothing could be farther from the truth)!! By the way, for all of you sorry shit-heads that are “white” (you don’t deserve to be called Caucasians) and whom tried to bash me for posting this thread, I challenge your brainwashed, liberal asses to show how brave and “enlightened” (LOL!) you are by taking a nice, lovely stroll through a black neighborhood in the near future. Go ahead, I’m sure that you know that your wonderful “sophisticated” (LOL!) vibe will see you through safely. Honestly, prove to yourself that I’m full of shit and that there’s all this big brotherly love out there waiting for your liberal asses. (I’m sure John Quinones will be happy to secretly video tape your experiences the way he did several months ago when he set up a few Caucasians in his little taxi “expose’”! hahahahaha!) Hey Mods!, I know that you’re a bunch of left-wingers that take the sides of all of these moronic assholes that go along with this culture that Koppel and Murdoch have created in this country that says that stabbing Caucasians in the back is totally cool and, therefore, you’ll screw me over by pulling my membership in this place. But before I’m persona non grata here, do take note of the fact that I’m on record for having stated clearly that I LOVE all races of people, but that I take VEHEMENT exception to what the so-called mainstream news media is getting away with in this country!! P.S. Mods, “IF” in the event that you don’t pull my Dope Membership (for telling the truth), then do know that I’ll only come back to this thread to slam and rip into shreds all of these FUCKING ASSHOLES that think that what the U.S. news media is doing is just fine. I HATE EVERYONE THAT’S GOING ALONG WITH THIS INSANE SHIT!!! P.P.S. God bless all the good folks of ALL races in the world that are just trying to have productive lives that don’t hurt others. People of good will are the best! ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/107 "2007-06-08T18:34:45Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] P.P.S. God bless all the good folks of ALL races in the world that are just trying to have productive lives that don’t hurt others. People of good will are the best! [/QUOTE] Well, now I need to shell out for a new irony meter. You owe me £50. I was thinking “Never posting again” rather than “Big racist explosion”. Cya! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/108 "2007-06-08T18:35:41Z")
Yowza. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/109 "2007-06-08T18:38:57Z")
Seriously dude, get help. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/110 "2007-06-08T18:40:02Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Lendervedder] Yowza. [/QUOTE] you gotta admire their restraint in the use of !!! and !!!, thought, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/111 "2007-06-08T18:42:21Z")
> [@](#): > > I’d LOVE nothing more than to get in a court of law with you while the entire world looks on as I show them Nightline segment after dirty Nightline segment of your two-face fucking ass shitting on Caucasians (while pocketing millions of dollars)!! YOU – MOTHERFUCKER!! – were the one most responsible for the death of Kristopher Kime and the two Caucasians in this video clip!! YOU, KOPPEL, brainwashed millions of people of all colors into thinking that each and every Caucasian that’s alive today is the descendant of a slave owner (while nothing could be farther from the truth)!! In the thread I linked to earlier (the Imus thread), I asked you repeatedly for cites to all of these Nightline segments you keep referring to. The best you could come up with (aside from the made up cites you got called out on) was one show that you admitted that you turned off and didn’t even watch. So again, can you proved some sort of cite to “Nightline segment after dirty Nightline segment?” Or does your TV talk to you even after it’s turned off? You keep bringing up some sort of future courtroom battle between you and Koppel where you embarrass him and the rest ofthe new media. Seriously, it’s one thing to have non-mainstream opinions-- hell, I even hold a few-- but you just seem angry, unbalanced and confused. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/112 "2007-06-08T18:43:33Z")
[Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp) said it better than I can. Please read this, **GuyNblueJeans**. > [@](#): > > Some commentators … have made much of the fact that the bulk of the news reportage about the Newsom/Christian murders has been local (predominantly in Tennessee, where the crimes took place, and in neighboring Kentucky), while the case has received little or no national coverage by major news outlets – a phenomenon attributed to supposedly biased news media loath to report black-on-white crime. … > > However, the notion that every major news outlet in the U.S. (all of them competitive, profit-making businesses) has conspired to ignore what would otherwise be a compelling national story is rather implausible. A more rational explanation might be found in the sober observation that murders – even decidedly horrific murders – are unfortunately too frequent an occurrence in the U.S. for all of them to garner national attention. The cases that do tend to attract prolonged, nationwide coverage are ones exhibiting a combination of factors (e.g., scandal, mystery, sexual elements, celebrity involvement, shockingly large numbers of deaths, victims who especially elicit sympathy) that make them particularly fascinating and compelling to the public at large, such as the still-unsolved murder of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, the mysterious disappearance (and death) of pregnant Laci Peterson, the massacre of 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech, and the celebrity trial to determine whether actress Lana Clarkson committed suicide or was killed by reclusive record producer Phil Spector. > > And, of course, the fact that the victims were white and the (presumed) killer black didn’t stop the O.J. Simpson murder trial from becoming the most media-covered event in the history of jurisprudence. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/113 "2007-06-08T18:45:50Z")
[QUOTE=Indistinguishable] It’s a bit too easy to beat up on you here, and you’re clearly getting enough of it as is, but I can’t help but noting how it makes me laugh to think of Satan sitting around in hell, worried about what people on the Internet might be coming to think of him and having to create a diversion via Paris Hilton tabloid fodder. [/QUOTE] Well, [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=422838) was shut down, so he _had_ to do something. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/114 "2007-06-08T18:46:51Z")
Put more guards on the Murrah building. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/115 "2007-06-08T18:47:45Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] before I’m persona non grata here [/QUOTE] Too late. I’m sorry your brain melted, that’s probably gonna be a bitch to clean up. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/116 "2007-06-08T18:48:37Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] I know that to you I’m a big nothing [/QUOTE] Don’t be so hard on Koppel and Murdoch. \*\*Everybody \*\* thinks you’re a big nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/117 "2007-06-08T18:54:15Z")
I’m still waiting for this promised truth about Hilton. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/118 "2007-06-08T18:55:22Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I’m still waiting for this promised truth about Hilton. [/QUOTE] She’s an heiress. ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/119 "2007-06-08T18:55:32Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Isn’t Savage the guy who was once photographed swimming naked with Allen Ginsberg? [/QUOTE] Well, there were probably several guys who were photographed swimming naked with Ginsberg, but [the man originally known as Michael Weiner was certainly one such individual.](http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/05/savage/index_np.html?pn=1) From Page 2 of the linked article: > [@](#): > > According to Stephen Schwartz, who was then a left-wing activist and writer, Weiner carried an unusual letter of introduction. “He had met Allen Ginsberg in Fiji,” he recalls. “He had this photograph of himself swimming naked with Ginsberg.” ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/120 "2007-06-08T19:12:07Z")
Dude, some perspective here. If you had seen a report saying “Young man and woman carjacked, raped, and murdered. Five suspects arrested and charged” you’d probably have said “how awful” and moved on with your life. As would I and most others in the US. It’s not a compelling story, it has no elements of mystery or suspense. No child victims, no pregnant victims, no celebrities, no compelling evidence of a hate crime. About 75% of the parts of the story which make it outrageous and different from the other dozens of carjack/murder crimes which happen each year throughout the country aren’t true. So what makes this national newsworthy? And even if it should be newsworthy, why are you so invested in how the news organizations run their businesses? As long as the criminals are caught and prosecuted, that’s what I care about. Seeing it on the news is secondary to me to knowing the police and prosecutors are getting these criminals off the street and removing them as threats to the rest of the population. Why does publicizing this crime matter so much to you? Enjoy, Steven [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223.md?page=7)