# May I be very un-PC and tell the truth re: Hilton? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 8, 2007, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223 "2007-06-08T04:44:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/161 "2007-06-09T01:12:58Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] By the way, for all of you sorry shit-heads that are “white” (you don’t deserve to be called Caucasians) and whom tried to bash me for posting this thread, I challenge your brainwashed, liberal asses to show how brave and “enlightened” (LOL!) you are by taking a nice, lovely stroll through a black neighborhood in the near future. Go ahead, I’m sure that you know that your wonderful “sophisticated” (LOL!) vibe will see you through safely. Honestly, prove to yourself that I’m full of shit and that there’s all this big brotherly love out there waiting for your liberal asses. [/QUOTE] You do know, (or, more likely, you don’t have a clue), that the name “Caucasian” was assigned to a vaguely defined group based on an erroneous asumption regarding their place of origin, right? So all your capitlaized “CAUCASIAN” references simply indicate that that your “science” is eighty years, or so, out of date and based on errors, making most of your rant nothing more than a silly exercise in ignorance. At any rate, I and my white skin have lived in a poorer black neighborhood in Detroit, all by myself with no police to guard me, walking out to the bus stop when my car was disabled or walking to the local shops for food, and my neighbors appear to have forgotten to cut me up (or even hassle me). I suspect that if you have ever been hassled, it was based on your bad attitude rather than your skin color. (More likely, of course, you have never even met a person whose ancestors came from Africa and you have absorbed all your hatred and ignorance by visiting some of the sillier web sites on the internet.) So I do not know where you get this storehouse of hatred and ignorance, (and this is your third or fourth thread attacking Ted Koppel without providing any information why we should accept your bizarre attacks upon him), but you are certainly providing a bit of unintended entertainment without persuading anyone that you are anything but a badly wired loser. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/162 "2007-06-09T01:19:07Z")
**GuyNblueJeans** , you’re a troll. It’s a good act. I particularly like the Koppel bit. But you’ve laid it on a little too thick. You’ve also sucked up a little too hard in your “nice” threads. Better luck next time … . ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/163 "2007-06-09T02:47:29Z")
[QUOTE=Pochacco] **GuyNblueJeans** , you’re a troll. It’s a good act. I particularly like the Koppel bit. But you’ve laid it on a little too thick. You’ve also sucked up a little too hard in your “nice” threads. Better luck next time … . [/QUOTE] Again, I don’t think he’s a troll. I think he’s a person suffering from paranoid delusions who is quite sincere in his beliefs. I don’t understand people who are trying to argue with him. He needs medical help, and I hope he gets it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/164 "2007-06-09T03:22:55Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] Again, I don’t think he’s a troll. I think he’s a person suffering from paranoid delusions who is quite sincere in his beliefs. I don’t understand people who are trying to argue with him. He needs medical help, and I hope he gets it. [/QUOTE] He may or may not need medical help, he may or may not be trolling. I’m not one to diagnose one’s mental health from a message board (or IRL for that matter). But as long as he’s posting here, people will go on arguing with him, especially if he goes on posting links to white power websites as legitimate cites. I don’t know if he’s a troll or mentally sick, but I do know that his posts often contain much douchebaggery, and if people _didn’t_ call him out on it, I’d be a little surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/165 "2007-06-09T03:26:17Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > But for you to seriously suggest that Nicole Richie has experienced such a life beggars the imagination. If you’re going to fuck with my post and summon my supposed arguments out of thin air, I won’t participate in a debate with you. This conversation is over. Not to mention that you’ve shown your colors (no pun intended) in calling Lionel Richie “white” and asserting that nobody can identify as black without being “ghetto”. Your entry shall be next to **GuyNBlueJeans** in my encyclopedia. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/166 "2007-06-09T03:38:05Z")
Well, apparently, [the sherriff who let Paris out early is pals with Rupert Murdoch.](http://www.radarmagazine.com/exclusives/2007/06/paris-sheriff-took-hilton-family-cash.php) > [@](#): > > In office since 1998, Baca has cultivated close ties to the Hollywood community. Others who donated money to his campaign last year included Rupert Murdoch, Les Moonves, Ron Meyer, Brad Grey, Steven Segal, and Burt Bacharach. So perhaps there _is_ something to his claims. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/167 "2007-06-09T04:38:33Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] Again, I don’t think he’s a troll. I think he’s a person suffering from paranoid delusions who is quite sincere in his beliefs. I don’t understand people who are trying to argue with him. He needs medical help, and I hope he gets it. [/QUOTE] No, he’s a troll. Look at his posting history. He alternates over-the-top suck-up posts about how “smart” and “nice” everyone here is with deliberate flame bait … often in threads he starts. Sucking up: [“…allow me to say that this is one cool website, can’t imagine there’s a better one out there than this one … with so many interesting, bright and friendly people! I’m thrilled to be here.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8444446#post8444446) [“I ask because I’m curious to know what sorts of colleges and/or universities put out such fine, knowledgable and generous people, such as yourself.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8456242#post8456242) [“I don’t know what to say about the situation. But, as you know, there’s a million smart people in here and I’d bet they’ll come up with good answers.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8608945#post8608945) [“Those are valid questions. While I don’t know the answers, this place has zillions of smart people, and so I’m sure someone will help you.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8655575#post8655575) That last one was from a thread yesterday. Try to square that glurge with the bile that he’s been posting in this thread and in the assortment of different trainwrecks that have appeared under his name over the last few days. Nah, he’s having a goof. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/168 "2007-06-09T04:41:11Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] If you’re going to fuck with my post and summon my supposed arguments out of thin air, I won’t participate in a debate with you. This conversation is over … Your entry shall be next to **GuyNBlueJeans** in my encyclopedia. [/QUOTE] You’ll have to pardon **Fetus** as this is a rough thread for him. He hasn’t been the same since he walked through that black neighborhood and barely escaped being raped by Ted Koppel (which, of course, didn’t make the news- friggin’ Jews). I’m sorry for revealing your confidence fetus, but I felt it was necessary or at least entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/169 "2007-06-09T05:34:49Z")
Actually, this is a rough thread for me for other reasons. **Sampiro** , I appreciate your attempt to lighten it up. Rather than showing you up by explaining why, I’ll just unsubscribe from this thread and stop participating in it. Probably best for my mental health and SDMB member status. ---
**Author:** ![Khan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3ab097/32.png) [@Khan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/170 "2007-06-09T06:58:14Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Goddamn… Rupert Murdoch with his liberal claptrap has been controlling my life all this time and I never saw it til now! And Ted Koppel- behind that Howdy Doody on Viagra exterior is the soul of Goebbels… [/QUOTE] Yeah! He’s not being racist, racist means being AGAINST other races. He’s just PRO-CAUCASIAN! Caucasians are beautiful. Caucasians invented education. Caucasians bring democracy and good, Christian civilization to the world! And now I understand why things go wrong in my life: KOPPEL! Who’s responsable when I take the hamberger out of my freezer and let it thaw in the frige, but then I forget it and it goes bad? KOPPEL! Who’s responsible for those little tags of skin next to your fingernails that blead and hurt like hell when you try to pull them off? KOPPEL! Who didn’t report the meateor headed for Earth so Jesus didn’t find out in time to save the dinasaurs from extinction? KOPPEL! Who didn’t recognize the talent of a BEAUTIFUL, ARTICULATE CAUCASIAN spoakswoman so he could have a LIZZARD sell us car insurance? KOPPEL! Who coifs his bronze locks so perfectly and has such a deep, sensuous voice that distracts me from getting aroused by pictures of BEAUTIFUL, CAUCASIAN women when I’m trying to masturbate? KOPPEL! For the love of George W. Christ, you liberal hippocrits on the straight dope say you want to fight ignorance but someone speaks the truth and you want to silence him. Koppel put you up to this, didn’t he? DIDN’T HE?! Don’t try to deny it, because I know what Murdoch is trying to pull! ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/171 "2007-06-09T07:29:26Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] By the way, for all of you sorry shit-heads that are “white” (you don’t deserve to be called Caucasians) and whom tried to bash me for posting this thread, I challenge your brainwashed, liberal asses to show how brave and “enlightened” (LOL!) you are by taking a nice, lovely stroll through a black neighborhood in the near future. Go ahead, I’m sure that you know that your wonderful “sophisticated” (LOL!) vibe will see you through safely. Honestly, prove to yourself that I’m full of shit and that there’s all this big brotherly love out there waiting for your liberal asses. [/QUOTE] I can’t speak for the walking in neighborhoods part. I ain’t seen a brown-skinned man since my grandparents bought one… As to the “white”/CAUCASIAN thang. I’m assuming I’m in the white category. “Don’t deserve to be called caucasian”? WTF does that mean? I just don’t understand. Unless “whites” are those librul yankee pansies. And caucasians are good god-fearing southern boys, willing to lend a hand in an important lynching anytime. One more thing. Murdoch. Liberal. In the same sentence… ROFL!!! GuYnStraightJacket, don’t open your mouth and remove all certainty of your stupidity if you can help it. Really. This is quite a smart board. They pick up on clues like these. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/172 "2007-06-09T09:41:30Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] As to the “white”/CAUCASIAN thang. I’m assuming I’m in the white category. “Don’t deserve to be called caucasian”? WTF does that mean? I just don’t understand. Unless “whites” are those librul yankee pansies. And caucasians are good god-fearing southern boys, willing to lend a hand in an important lynching anytime. [/QUOTE] As a semi-librul/semi-conservative pansie atheist southern boy, God I’m confused about where I stand. (To further complicate matters I’m a descendant of slaveowners, non-slaveowners, and slaves.) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/173 "2007-06-09T13:14:36Z")
It got a lot of attention when Halle Berry was busted. But I agree that the Knoxville murders would have gotten a lot more attention had the races been reversed. Partly it’s the “man bites dog” aspect of the story. Crimes by blacks against whites are a lot more common than the reverse. And yeah, partly it’s because the liberal media doesn’t like to promote the stereotype that blacks are criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/174 "2007-06-09T13:26:05Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] And yeah, partly it’s because the liberal media doesn’t like to promote the stereotype that blacks are criminals. [/QUOTE] Really? I hear this a lot, but I have the hardest time picturing the “Liberal Media” all having a round table, deciding to bury black-on-white crime stories. And I really do see plenty of black on white crime reported. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/175 "2007-06-09T14:02:18Z")
[QUOTE=Nzinga, Seated] Really? I hear this a lot, but I have the hardest time picturing the “Liberal Media” all having a round table, deciding to bury black-on-white crime stories. [/quote] I doubt that there’s an organized conspiracy. > [@](#): > > And I really do see plenty of black on white crime reported. Yeah, like the case where a few guys on an athletic team were accused of a gang rape. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/176 "2007-06-09T14:28:59Z")
Well, Michael Medved supposedly agrees with the OP that the Hilton feeding frenzy is being used to distract the people from the _real_ issues of the day (whatever those might be, Medved isn’t too clear on that point), so I think we can now safely say that the OP rates at least two Medved’s on the looney scale. (Medved, if you’ll remember is the movie reviewer who thinks that Hollywood is out to destroy Christianity. Oddly, Medved _doesn’t_ use movies like _The Santa Clause_ to bolster his arguments.) ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/177 "2007-06-09T14:47:56Z")
[QUOTE=Nzinga, Seated] Really? I hear this a lot, but I have the hardest time picturing the “Liberal Media” all having a round table, deciding to bury black-on-white crime stories. And I really do see plenty of black on white crime reported. [/QUOTE] There is no “the media.” There is a collection of autonomous newsrooms (newspaper, TV, radio, online) across the country, that have little-to-no communication with each other regarding what stories to run or how big to play them. I don’t think any reasonable person would suggest that there is a media cabal of any persuasion which does things like this. However, in my experience, which is admittedly not terribly broad, newsrooms are _overwhelmingly_ filled with liberal-minded people. Overwhelmingly. To the point where one becomes surprised when someone states a conservative point of view on an issue. Really. It is, of course, debatable to what extent this influences the selection, presentation and reporting of stories, but it (IMO, again) definitely does exist. To pretend that there is no disparity in the number of liberals and conservatives in newsrooms is just as absurd as to pretend there is a “liberal media cabal.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/178 "2007-06-09T14:57:26Z")
It’s a corporate media. If it bleeds it leads. Politics don’t enter into it. Television networks serve at the pleasure of their sponsors and their corporate owners. A lot of journalists tend to be liberal but a.) that’s because they also tend to be educated and _infomed_ and b.) it doesn’t matter because they aren’t the ones who decide what will be reported on and how. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/179 "2007-06-09T14:59:32Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It’s a corporate media. If it bleeds it leads. Politics don’t enter into it. Television networks serve at the pleasure of their sponsors and their corporate owners. A lot of journalists tend to be liberal but a.) that’s because they also tend to be educated and _infomed_ and b.) it doesn’t matter because they aren’t the ones who decide what will be reported on and how. [/QUOTE] Check out the early coverage of the Duke Lacrosse Hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223/180 "2007-06-09T15:17:04Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Check out the early coverage of the Duke Lacrosse Hoax. [/QUOTE] What about it wasn’t geared towards making money? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-be-very-un-pc-and-tell-the-truth-re-hilton/407223.md?page=10)