# May I have a moment of your time, scott evil? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 17, 2002, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324 "2002-07-17T01:46:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/101 "2002-07-17T19:41:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hastur \* > \*\* > > That was not my point at all. > > My point was purely on the offensensitivity shown by minty green and others on a comment that was purely in jest, and was just a humorous suggestion and nothing more. > > Perhaps I did not express myself well, yet I will not apologize to prigs who want to see offensiveness where it was not intended, which many have seen quite clearly. \*\* So, what is your stance re: folks using the word ‘gay’ to mean lame etc., especially since they’re ‘just joking and meaning no offense’. I see the folks calling out on you here, not as ‘prigs’, but as folks looking for some consistency. YOu may have been joking w/your first post, but if you were totally, then the proper response should have been “sorry, I was only joking” instead of the “get a life” which you originally posted. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/102 "2002-07-17T19:42:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hastur \* > \*\* > > You prefer ‘breeder?’ > > 😃 \*\* This is all I said. I think that taking insult at that is looking to be insulted where no insult was intended or made. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/103 "2002-07-17T19:44:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\* > > So, what is your stance re: folks using the word ‘gay’ to mean lame etc., especially since they’re ‘just joking and meaning no offense’. > > I see the folks calling out on you here, not as ‘prigs’, but as folks looking for some consistency. YOu may have been joking w/your first post, but if you were totally, then the proper response should have been “sorry, I was only joking” instead of the “get a life” which you originally posted. \*\* The get a life was purely directed at minty green who seems to want to take offense at EVERYTHING and had been hostile before I made the breeder remark. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/104 "2002-07-17T19:49:20Z")
**Hastur** , why are you bothering to argue with folks? Why not just cast an “anti-prosperity” spell on them using your magick? That’ll show 'em. 😃 For those who don’t think “breeder” can be a hurtful term (whether you use it jokingly or not), a brief autobiographical story: My first wife and I tried for a couple of years to have a child. It was a frustrating process, because according to the doctors and such there wasn’t any reason for infertility; still, she couldn’t get pregnant. Finally she underwent a surgical procedure, during which we discovered she had scar-like tissue on much of her endometrium. That was corrected, and soon after we conceived. During those two years before the problem was diagnosed, had you referred to my first wife as a “breeder,” you would have been insulting her in the worst possible way (in her view). She wanted desperately to have a child, but was unable. Almost any other pejorative could have been hurled at her, but nothing would have hurt as much as “breeder.” ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/105 "2002-07-17T19:55:06Z")
Hastur, your reading comprehension skills might be stuck at the same 3rd Grade level as your insult skills, but if you look up the page just a tiny bit, you’ll see where I quite clearly stated that I don’t find “str8” offensive at all. You may wish to refer to a dictionary to clarify the distinction between “stupid” and “offensive.” And I understand you think you were just being funny. I just happen to think that people who think slurs are funny are assholes. ---
**Author:** ![racinchikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@racinchikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racinchikki)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/106 "2002-07-17T19:55:07Z")
> [@](#): > > I think that taking insult at that is looking to be insulted where no insult was intended or made. JESUS H. CHRIST, HASTUR!!! Have you been READING the responses in this thread or do you live in some kind of fucking la-la land where all that matters is what YOU are saying and ally ou have to do is keep repeating “It was a joke and you are all stupid prigs who need to get a life”? I give up. ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/107 "2002-07-17T20:03:59Z")
I’m not exactly clear on how the joke was supposed to be funny if it was about a term believed to be totally innocuous. Sort of akin to “What, you don’t like ketchup? Would you rather I said catsup? :D” But life is all about accepting certain areas of opaqueness, so that’s okay. And Sauron, shame on you for implying that individual human beings are more important than group generalizations. What are you, some kind of commie? Dark Lords these days, I tell you… ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/108 "2002-07-17T20:07:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Hastur, your reading comprehension skills might be stuck at the same 3rd Grade level as your insult skills, but if you look up the page just a tiny bit, you’ll see where I quite clearly stated that I don’t find “str8” offensive at all. You may wish to refer to a dictionary to clarify the distinction between “stupid” and “offensive.” > > And I understand you think you were just being funny. I just happen to think that people who think slurs are funny are assholes. \*\* Listen, you pretentious puddle of bile: Focus on someone else. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. You walked into this thread bitching for a fight and now that you are done with scottevil, you are focusing on me. To anyone but you who had to take such drastic offense at a very simple remark, my apologies. To you, minty green, why don’t you take an unabridged dictionary and shove it up your ass sideways. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/109 "2002-07-17T20:24:04Z")
Bullshit **Hauster**. You posted your ‘joke’, **minty** replied to the effect that he preferred that nobody’s sexuality was belittled, and you fucking quoted **that** and said “Get a life” page one, this thread. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/110 "2002-07-17T20:57:03Z")
Indeed, **wring**. “Get a life,” followed by such all-time classics as:[ul][_]Could you get over yourself?[_]How do I come to deserve thy righteous wrath and indignation, oh pointy headed one?[_]GET A LIFE (Slight Return)[_]Consider it a newsflash[_]Let me show you to our fine line of decaf coffees[_]:wally[_]Exsqueeze me[_]No shit, Dick Tracy **WHATEVER** [/ul]Available now on CD and cassette, only from Scholastic Records. ---
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/111 "2002-07-17T21:10:20Z")
Aside from couples with problems conceiving, why is “breeder” offensive? ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/112 "2002-07-17T21:24:59Z")
It’s offensive because the gay community _intends_ for it to be offensive. Imagine it said in the way some upper-crust WASP type from New Haven, Connecticut might say, “He went to a _public_ high school. And he’s _Catholic_.” Now imagine a gay man saying, “Well, what would you expect from a _breeder_?” Here are a few cites straight from queer sites: [Glossary of Queer Terms](http://newton.newhaven.edu/glbsa/glossary.html): Breeder: slang, generally offensive word for heterosexual [Family Pride Canada glossary](http://familypride.uwo.ca/glossary2.html): breeder: contemptuous (and sometimes ironic) gay slang for heterosexual. [TGLB Glossary and Acronym List](http://www.genderweb.org/general/tlbgglos.phtml): Heterosexual - One who has significant sexual or romantic attractions primarily to members of the other sex. Derogatory terms include breeder. [LesBiGay and Transgender Glossary](http://www.biresource.org/pamphlets/glossary.html): Derogatory terms used by LesBiGays toward heterosexuals: breeder. (See straight.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/113 "2002-07-17T21:28:58Z")
Fer christ sake, can we close this can of clusterfuck? **Hastur** – You’ve as much right to be offensive and not apologize to those overly sensitive as anyone else. Certainly, it was obvious to me you were kidding with the “breeder” statement (which is relatively mild), and I agree with you about the overly sensitive nature of many of the members. That said, with your subsequent flip tone, it makes it hard to know if you’re making a point with your insults (which is fine by me), or you’re just going for general belittlement of the discussion and the members in it. **Minty green** – I have the greatest respect for ya. But the original offense was really mild and doesn’t, IMHO, rate three pages of FUBAR. Now if you can’t make up, take it outside, ya thin-skinned stubborn goat rimmers! ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/114 "2002-07-17T21:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > I think that taking insult at that is looking to be insulted where no insult was intended or made. Leaving aside intent, are you saying that the person making the statement gets to decide if it’s insulting or not? That is so gay. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/115 "2002-07-17T21:38:02Z")
And if we’re taking a vote, I’ll cast another ballot for shooting this thread in the head to put it out of our misery. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/116 "2002-07-17T21:40:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mojo \* > \*\*Aside from couples with problems conceiving, why is “breeder” offensive? \*\* Perhaps it is only offensive if preceeded by the word “fucking”. To quote **Scott Evil** , “Fucking breeders need to practise safe sex, too”. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/117 "2002-07-17T21:42:20Z")
And who doesn’t love a good flame war? ---
**Author:** ![ouisey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9fc29f/32.png) [@ouisey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouisey)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/118 "2002-07-17T21:43:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by scott evil \* > \*\* > > IMO, a sexually-active gay man probably has more safe sex info than a self-proclaimed str8 “slut.” > > \*\* HEY!! I’ve gotta protect my reputation here. I’ve only had three partners in my LIFE and have always practised safe sex. In fact, the only sex without any kind of bc + condom I’ve ever had was with my ex-husband, while we were married. Just to get that “str8”. Love, Ouisey aka self-proclaimed str8 slut. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/119 "2002-07-17T22:01:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ace0Spades \* > **Minty green** – I have the greatest respect for ya. But the original offense was really mild . . . . As was my response–really, read it again. It is Hastur’s subsequent attempt to playing stupid about the offensive nature of his comment that merits continued slogging. In the absence of any acknowledgment whatsoever that his “joke” consists of an offensive slur, I see no reason to let the jerk off the hook for that comment. ---
**Author:** ![Essured](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Essured](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Essured)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2002, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324/120 "2002-07-17T22:06:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mojo \* > \*\*Aside from couples with problems conceiving, why is “breeder” offensive? \*\* The term ‘breeder’ _IS_ an insult. Leaving the gay community aside, it is widely used within the childfree community too. There it is used as an insult, and is dripping with disgust and contempt, and is basically equating the person it’s hurled at, as on a level of cattle, or other mindless reproducing organisms. It is always said with a sneer. Mind you, the childfree community generally differentiates between parents and breeders, so they aren’t calling every person with a child a breeder, just the irresponsible ones. That said, I personally don’t use the term, even when I’m speaking within the childfree community, in our ‘safe spaces’ simply because I think derogatory terms are unacceptable, regardless of who they’re aimed at or what justifications I can pull from somewhere. Obviously YMMV. Since the horse appears well dead, I’d like to ask a quick question. Does the homosexual use of the word ‘breeder’ as an insult include childfree heterosexuals ? 😃 :: d&r :: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-have-a-moment-of-your-time-scott-evil/119324.md?page=7)