# May I pit those badge kissers who doubted my story about my friend's wife's death? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2010, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937 "2010-05-27T12:34:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/21 "2010-05-27T19:40:01Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > You’re a forensic scientist now are you? Did I say that, fucknuts? The idiot said because he couldn’t see a single drop of blood, that meant the guy was innocent. Others pointed out to him that the vehicle would obviously be searched and fibers and such TESTED IN A LAB. Nor should the cops have let him near a crime scene. Jesus, you’re a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/22 "2010-05-27T20:02:59Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Did I say that, fucknuts? > > The idiot said because he couldn’t see a single drop of blood, that meant the guy was innocent. Others pointed out to him that the vehicle would obviously be searched and fibers and such TESTED IN A LAB. > > Nor should the cops have let him near a crime scene. Jesus, you’re a fucking moron. I don’t see why they shouldn’t have let him identify the body, poppet. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/23 "2010-05-27T20:04:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Nor should the cops have let him near a crime scene. Jesus, you’re a fucking moron. I’m pretty sure they didn’t let him near the car. He probably shouted obcenities at the forensics guys while he was forcibly removed from the area, and then rewrote that in his mind to equal him walzing up to the car, ripping off his sunglasses dramatically, and proclaiming his judgement. Guys like this always add fantastic details to their stories in order to bolster their poor self-esteem. The problem is that he probably does this so much that he has convinced himself that his version is true. The human brain is a strange beast. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/24 "2010-05-27T20:07:12Z")
> [@Angry Lurker](#): > > I don’t see why they shouldn’t have let him identify the body, poppet. I’m no forensic scientist, but isn’t identification usually done in the morgue? In any case, I can’t imagine the cops letting him in to ID the body while it was still an active crime scene. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/25 "2010-05-27T20:09:31Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > I’m no forensic scientist, but isn’t identification usually done in the morgue? In any case, I can’t imagine the cops letting him in to ID the body while it was still an active crime scene. I’ve never identified a body at a crime scene and I’ve never identified a body full stop in America… point being I’m quite happy to admit being ignorant, I’m not going to proclaim myself chief judge of plausible police procedure ™ particularly with what according to OP’s account is a force that doesn’t really stick to those procedures in the first place. edit: It occurs to me though that I have strolled around road traffic accident scenes in the UK before, and they are treated as potential crime scenes when there’s a possibility of a death. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/26 "2010-05-27T20:34:21Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > In light of new evidence, can I get some love here? Okay, I’ve examined all the new evidence and it proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you’re a stupid bastard ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/27 "2010-05-27T20:46:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and I see your corrupt cops and I raise you one [Richard Poplawski](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Poplawski). Geez, **Guin** …it takes our buddy **Stan** long enough to return to threads as it is. Did you have to give him a link that he’s just going to wind up fapping over for a couple of hours? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/28 "2010-05-27T21:21:48Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > And he’s been here 5 years! He has benefits! Not a lot of friends with those benefits, though. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/29 "2010-05-27T21:34:01Z")
It’s quite amusing here. I suspect at least half of those piling on were bullied at school, but instead of learning from it they’re trying to reverse the roles now. Even more amusingly, it blatantly isn’t going to annoy Stan one bit. So you even fail at bullying, and you outnumber him ten to one! Pathetic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/30 "2010-05-27T21:41:14Z")
These articles also seem to have nothing to do with the original thread. They all seem to be about allegations of a racist cop. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/31 "2010-05-27T22:36:38Z")
> [@Happy\_Poster](#): > > It’s quite amusing here. I suspect at least half of those piling on were bullied at school, but instead of learning from it they’re trying to reverse the roles now. > > Even more amusingly, it blatantly isn’t going to annoy Stan one bit. So you even fail at bullying, and you outnumber him ten to one! > > Pathetic 😃 you’re cool ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/32 "2010-05-27T23:11:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Poster](#): > > I’ve never identified a body at a crime scene and I’ve never identified a body full stop in America… point being I’m quite happy to admit being ignorant, I’m not going to proclaim myself chief judge of plausible police procedure ™ particularly with what according to OP’s account is a force that doesn’t really stick to those procedures in the first place. > > edit: It occurs to me though that I have strolled around road traffic accident scenes in the UK before, and they are treated as potential crime scenes when there’s a possibility of a death. I’ve never identified a body either, but common sense tells me that his version of what happened is most likely bullshit. He said: > [@Stan Shmenge](#): > > As I came back, I noticed a bunch of ambulances and cops at the 5 on-ramp, but didn’t think anything of it. > > When I got back to the house, everyone was gone except for a couple of close friends. > > “Where did everybody go?” > > “They all took offf.” > > “Who took off?” > > “Danny, Kelly…” > > At that point I realized that something wasn’t right and I went down the block to the freeway onramp. The cops asked me what I was doing, and I told them that they probably wanted to talk to me. I asked them what happened, and they said a girl had been run over, and at that point I knew for sure. I insisted on looking at the body, and of course it was her. Here’s the problems I see with this: 1. generally cops won’t tell you what happened at a crime scene just because you wander up and ask. 2. generally cops won’t let you ‘insist’ on doing anything. I find it unlikely that he could have talked his way into seeing the body, and also into not going with the police when they told him to. 3. if there were paramedics there still working on her I find it hard to believe you could even get close enough to the body to ID it. 4. he says that there were multiple cops and ambulances there. I’m willing to believe that one or two cops might be corrupt and break procedure, but this requires us to believe that every single one of those cops were willing to turn a blind eye to some mope coming up and having his way with a crime scene. 5. Stan says that not only did he walk up and see the body, but that he also managed to walk right up to a car that was being inspected by the police. How likely is it that he did this twice? Now, I know that none of the above are absolutes, and I’m not an expert in crime scene analysis. But I find it unlikely in the extreme that this went down the way he describes. Particularly since Stan has shown himself to be prone to…let’s say, ‘flights of fancy’. ---
**Author:** ![Gruntled](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/34f0e0/32.png) [@Gruntled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gruntled)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/33 "2010-05-27T23:11:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Nor should the cops have let him near a crime scene. Jesus, you’re a fucking moron. They didn’t. Stan the Man claims he swaggered into a crime scene containing a dead body late at night and proceeded to start ordering the cops around, “insisting” on this and that. Yeaaaariight. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/34 "2010-05-27T23:23:10Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > These articles also seem to have nothing to do with the original thread. They all seem to be about allegations of a racist cop. Excuse me, but do you think you could keep your pesky facts out of Stan’s Thread of Glory and Redemption™? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/35 "2010-05-27T23:24:59Z")
> [@Algorithm](#): > > you’re cool knobcheese ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/36 "2010-05-27T23:44:10Z")
> [@Happy\_Poster](#): > > I don’t see why they shouldn’t have let him identify the body, poppet. > [@Meyer6](#): > > I’m no forensic scientist, but isn’t identification usually done in the morgue? In any case, I can’t imagine the cops letting him in to ID the body while it was still an active crime scene. Yep. If they had let him do it at the scene of the accident/crime he could have contaminated evidence. Christ, doesn’t ANYONE watch _Law & Order_?! 😉 Seriously though, I’ve seen enough documentaries on A&E, The History Channel, and read enough to know that there’s no way he’d have been allowed to do what he claims. Dude’s full of shit. Oh, and so are you, **Happy Poster/Angry Lurker**. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/37 "2010-05-28T05:43:10Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Excuse me, but do you think you could keep your pesky facts out of Stan’s Thread of Glory and Redemption™? > > Thanks! I’ll park the facts out in the corridor. On with the show! So **Happy Poster** is **Angry Lurker**? Except now with more misogyny it seems. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/38 "2010-05-28T13:27:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Poster](#): > > It’s quite amusing here. I suspect at least half of those piling on were bullied at school, but instead of learning from it they’re trying to reverse the roles now. > > Even more amusingly, it blatantly isn’t going to annoy Stan one bit. So you even fail at bullying, and you outnumber him ten to one! > > Pathetic 😃 You’re a psychologist now are you? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Poster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Happy\_Poster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Poster)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/39 "2010-05-28T15:10:56Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > So **Happy Poster** is **Angry Lurker**? Except now with more misogyny it seems. Do you even know what misogyny is? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937/40 "2010-05-28T15:36:57Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > So **Happy Poster** is **Angry Lurker**? Evil twin, hence the “opposite” name. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/may-i-pit-those-badge-kissers-who-doubted-my-story-about-my-friends-wifes-death/540937.md?page=3)