# Maybe a dingo ate your baby **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2007, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524 "2007-01-03T12:42:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![sharx35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sharx35](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sharx35)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/161 "2007-01-04T09:11:21Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Some things are foreseeable; some things are not. Moving is foreseeable. Having children is foreseeable. My position, which it seems others share, is that if your commitment to a pet doesn’t not include sticking with the pet through such almost-certain changes in life, then probably you shouldn’t get a pet. To have a cat that repeatedly attempts to scratch your new baby is not foreseeable. To fall in love with a person who is very allergic to your pet is not foreseeable. No one is saying (well, no one reasonable is saying) that when tough choices _have to_ be made, it is not appropriate to choose your human family over your pets. It just strikes some of us as premature to anticipate a problem before one occurs, to the extent of taking the irrevocable and drastic step of giving your pet away – especially when the life change is of the “probably foreseeable” variety. It’s not a matter of “bad mothering” or “good mothering” – it’s just that some people take their commitments _to their pets_ more seriously than others do. I feel confident in saying that if a person would give their pet away out of fear that a problem, not currently occuring, might sometime in future occur, then I am a better _pet owner_ than that person. IOW, I don’t think anyone is saying **Lib’s** daughter is a bad mother; at worst, they are saying that she is a bad pet owner. And though **Lib** might understandably be made defensive by such an opinion – it appears to be a defensible opinion nonetheless. I agree with responsible pet ownership, duh, I posted my pedigree as a cat owner before offering my opinions here. It’s just that sometimes, life changes. You do the best you can. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] What an ignorant bitch. Give your brainless head a shake. One does NOT just FALL in love. One DECIDES to fall in love. This “falling in love” crap is so much bullshit attempting to rationalize dysfunctional behavior. Grow up and do NOT pass any more of your brainless DNA on to anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/162 "2007-01-04T09:27:28Z")
[QUOTE=bobkitty] Liberal (and go ahead and extend this to “everyone”) certainly doesn’t need to explain everything in one go. Hell, he really didn’t need to explain anything at all. But to allow one thread to be shit in and another thread- that he himself started- to go two pages before introducing very pertinant information is.. not okay. [/quote] Except that Lynn intervened in the one thread and forbade further discussion about it there. It therefore had to be here in a thread that I myself started (since no one else did). And surprising though it may seem, it never dawned on me that I should have to explain to people that my daughter is not a monster. You wanted me to open, for God’s sake, with her reasons why she gave up the cat. But who knew there would be such a controversy? Should I scour your posts to see how you could have improved your expository? What did you _imagine_ were her reasons? Cat hater? Animal torturer? Brainless accident of history? As you can see, Ogre wasn’t happy even with your extra sixty-some words. Maybe you were mistaken in your analysis. ---
**Author:** ![sharx35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sharx35](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sharx35)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/163 "2007-01-04T09:31:16Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Except that Lynn intervened in the one thread and forbade further discussion about it there. It therefore had to be here in a thread that I myself started (since no one else did). And surprising though it may seem, it never dawned on me that I should have to explain to people that my daughter is not a monster. You wanted me to open, for God’s sake, with her reasons why she gave up the cat. But who knew there would be such a controversy? Should I scour your posts to see how you could have improved your expository? What did you _imagine_ were her reasons? Cat hater? Animal torturer? Brainless accident of history? As you can see, Ogre wasn’t happy even with your extra sixty-some words. Maybe you were mistaken in your analysis. [/QUOTE] You should have had your tubes tied a LONG time before you unfortunately dumped your faulty DNA onto this world. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/164 "2007-01-04T09:43:38Z")
Folk ain’t biting. Quick, post this: “Babies should be RIPPED from their mother’s WOMBS and TURNED into cat food.” That’ll do it. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/165 "2007-01-04T09:49:04Z")
I’m just glad it didn’t come in on my side. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/166 "2007-01-04T09:53:15Z")
[QUOTE=sharx35] [/QUOTE] What an ignorant bitch. Give your brainless head a shake. One does NOT just FALL in love. One DECIDES to fall in love. This “falling in love” crap is so much bullshit attempting to rationalize dysfunctional behavior. Grow up and do NOT pass any more of your brainless DNA on to anyone else. [/QUOTE] [hijack] Ha! Wish I’d _known_ I had a choice! :smack: I fell so damn hard there was a audible thud and I surely did not _decide_ to do it and MOST surely not with _him_, but there it is and I’m stuck with it. [/endhijack] FWIW, I had cats and babies at the same time and never had a problem. The bedroom door was shut at night and during naptime and the rest of the time the babies were supervised. Simple. If I had to turn my back on the kid, the cat left the room. ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/167 "2007-01-04T09:54:28Z")
Dammit, I was quoting post 161, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/168 "2007-01-04T09:55:32Z")
It’s a troll, Zoogirl. Don’t feed it. I’ve reported it. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/169 "2007-01-04T10:03:13Z")
I hope I’m not too late for this shit parade. :rolleyes: **Liberal** , I think your daughter did the right thing and I don’t think you have anything to apologise for in this thread. She was obviously stressed by the possibility (however real or imagined) that the presence of the cat might pose some threat to her newborn babe. Removing the source of that stress and tension (ie. the cat) gave her the peace of mind she needed to be able to care for the little one more adequately. While she is a worried mum, she is not a fully-functioning one. It’s totally fucking irrelevent to the happiness and smooth running of THIS family that ‘stats’ show \>x danger from cats/dogs/or whatever. Your daughter was concerned, and she took the effort to fix the percieved problem. Many of the posters here are just being fucking rude and obnoxious for the sake of it…getting on their high (free-range-agisted) horses to show just how bloody noble they are when it comes to animal rights and welfare. Sure, we all know the, ‘A Pet is for Life, not Just for Christmas’ slogan, but at the end of the day, things happen in our lives that require re-evaluation of our lifestyles…and sometimes the pets have to go. It’s sad, and it’s to be regretted, but sometimes shit fucking happens. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/170 "2007-01-04T10:26:08Z")
Not too late at all, Kambuckta. Matter of fact, I appreciate it. Like I said at the outset, I don’t know how you can reason with these people. They demand reasons for her actions, and then no reason is good enough. Even the compromise I offered a page back was summarily trashed. Frankly, if these people were so concerned about animals, you’d think they’d have spent their 14.95 at the animal shelter rather than registering here. ---
**Author:** ![sharx35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sharx35](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sharx35)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/171 "2007-01-04T10:29:30Z")
[QUOTE=kambuckta] I hope I’m not too late for this shit parade. :rolleyes: **Liberal** , I think your daughter did the right thing and I don’t think you have anything to apologise for in this thread. She was obviously stressed by the possibility (however real or imagined) that the presence of the cat might pose some threat to her newborn babe. Removing the source of that stress and tension (ie. the cat) gave her the peace of mind she needed to be able to care for the little one more adequately. While she is a worried mum, she is not a fully-functioning one. It’s totally fucking irrelevent to the happiness and smooth running of THIS family that ‘stats’ show \>x danger from cats/dogs/or whatever. Your daughter was concerned, and she took the effort to fix the percieved problem. Many of the posters here are just being fucking rude and obnoxious for the sake of it…getting on their high (free-range-agisted) horses to show just how bloody noble they are when it comes to animal rights and welfare. Sure, we all know the, ‘A Pet is for Life, not Just for Christmas’ slogan, but at the end of the day, things happen in our lives that require re-evaluation of our lifestyles…and sometimes the pets have to go. It’s sad, and it’s to be regretted, but sometimes shit fucking happens. [/QUOTE] When shit happens, priorities take over. With proper supervision, 99% of cats..and dogs can co-exist with infants. Of course, it takes EFFORT. For idiots like LIEbrawl and her spaw, their own selfishness prevents this co-existence. It her dumping the cat (for a FEE she could have found a foster home) isn’t enough, just look how the idiots started smoking again. Call me a troll–isn’t THAT how you love to label those who challenge your bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![sharx35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sharx35](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sharx35)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/172 "2007-01-04T10:29:29Z")
[QUOTE=kambuckta] I hope I’m not too late for this shit parade. :rolleyes: **Liberal** , I think your daughter did the right thing and I don’t think you have anything to apologise for in this thread. She was obviously stressed by the possibility (however real or imagined) that the presence of the cat might pose some threat to her newborn babe. Removing the source of that stress and tension (ie. the cat) gave her the peace of mind she needed to be able to care for the little one more adequately. While she is a worried mum, she is not a fully-functioning one. It’s totally fucking irrelevent to the happiness and smooth running of THIS family that ‘stats’ show \>x danger from cats/dogs/or whatever. Your daughter was concerned, and she took the effort to fix the percieved problem. Many of the posters here are just being fucking rude and obnoxious for the sake of it…getting on their high (free-range-agisted) horses to show just how bloody noble they are when it comes to animal rights and welfare. Sure, we all know the, ‘A Pet is for Life, not Just for Christmas’ slogan, but at the end of the day, things happen in our lives that require re-evaluation of our lifestyles…and sometimes the pets have to go. It’s sad, and it’s to be regretted, but sometimes shit fucking happens. [/QUOTE] When shit happens, priorities take over. With proper supervision, 99% of cats..and dogs can co-exist with infants. Of course, it takes EFFORT. For idiots like LIEbrawl and her spaw, their own selfishness prevents this co-existence. It her dumping the cat (for a FEE she could have found a foster home) isn’t enough, just look how the idiots started smoking again. Call me a troll–isn’t THAT how you love to label those who challenge your bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/173 "2007-01-04T10:38:46Z")
[QUOTE=sharx35] When shit happens, priorities take over. With proper supervision, 99% of cats..and dogs can co-exist with infants. Of course, it takes EFFORT. For idiots like LIEbrawl and her spaw, their own selfishness prevents this co-existence. It her dumping the cat (for a FEE she could have found a foster home) isn’t enough, just look how the idiots started smoking again. Call me a troll–isn’t THAT how you love to label those who challenge your bullshit? [/QUOTE] I see you _quoted_ my post, but didn’t take the time to actually _read_ it, dickhead. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![sharx35](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sharx35](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sharx35)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/174 "2007-01-04T10:48:11Z")
[QUOTE=kambuckta] I see you _quoted_ my post, but didn’t take the time to actually _read_ it, dickhead. 😛 [/QUOTE] You are a fucking idiot. With a handle like “kambuckta” you deserve dick all. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/175 "2007-01-04T11:17:00Z")
[QUOTE=sharx35] You are a fucking idiot. With a handle like “kambuckta” you deserve dick all. [/QUOTE] OMG, you’re right!! I’m a fucking idiot, and I will change my moniker immediately so that people will like me and agree with everything I say!! 😃 Y’know, it seems to me that the calibre of trolls lately on the board is on the decline. I mean, whatever happened to the **classy** ones who could string us along for at least a few bloody _hours_ before being sniffed out and cast out?? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/176 "2007-01-04T11:57:29Z")
[QUOTE=sharx35] Pardon me, but she had NINE FECKING MONTHS to find a new home for the cat. [/QUOTE] You seem to believe that adult cats are as easy as pie to re-home. If the world were full of folks like \*\*JSGoddess \*\*you might have a point. Alas, neither is true. In my county, the animal shelter kills ten thousand dogs and cats a year. Rescue organizations are overflowing with animals. “Free kitten” ads are commonplace. Adult cats are extremely difficult to re-home. > [@](#): > > She shouldn’t have gotten pregnant until she did her DUTY to the cat. Okee Dokee. Have you any idea where she got the cat? I don’t. Suppose she rescued it from the jaws of a massive, slathering, uber-vicious, soul searing, ravenous juggernaut of a pit bull? And it lived for ten more years? Would that be doing her duty? > [@](#): > > What in creation is so special about babies? Millions are born every day. Again, she did NOt make every effort to re-home the cat. The evidence confims that. If millions were born every day to her, perhaps the babies would not be special, but she certainly would. Are you by any chance thinking about spiders? And [Spider Babies](http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue08/reviews/spiderbaby/text.htm)? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/177 "2007-01-04T13:30:43Z")
With pet threads, what people really want to know is that the owner is putting out an honest effort to do right by his pet. From the additional descriptions Liberal’s added, I think it’s clear that his daughter is being consistent about her child’s safety and a jealous, tempermental cat is a safety issue. Remember the cat that chased a Black Bear up into a tree? I don’t want that mean SOB near MY (theoretical) baby. Is she overprotective? Maybe, but I can’t fault her too much for being overprotective, as long as she’s honest and consistent about it. It’s her call to determine how protective to be. Maybe she could have tried harder, or longer, to place the cat. Maybe she didn’t realize how hard it would be to place, and just plain ran out of time. I think we’re getting into territory where you just won’t ever know how much effort was put in, so whichever way you go is going to be an assumption with limited information. ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/178 "2007-01-04T13:37:16Z")
Somewhere there is a bridge burning. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/179 "2007-01-04T14:06:07Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Suppose she rescued it from the jaws of a massive, slathering, uber-vicious, soul searing, ravenous juggernaut of a pit bull? [/QUOTE] Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. We can only handle one pit bull thread at a time! ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-a-dingo-ate-your-baby/386524/180 "2007-01-04T14:36:39Z")
[QUOTE=Ogre] Unless this was a raging beast of a cat, it was still a ridiculously overprotective response. [/QUOTE] I absolutely agree that it was a ridiculously overprotective response. Babies and animal have co-existed for a very long time, and a little effort on the part of parents can go a long way to continuing that harmony. However, the additional information, IMO, takes a smidge of the sting out of it, and I’ll ask you this: do you think that it makes the situation a _little_ more palatible that after a discussion with her husband she attempted, for eight months, to re-home a tempermental cat, rather than- without a moment’s hesitation- dumping a perfectly normal, loving, non-aggressive cat in a shelter on the way to the doc’s for her ultrasound? It doesn’t make it _right_, and I still have plenty of issues with it, but does it decrease the bile for you just a bit? (if not, that’s fine. 🙂 ) > [@featherlou](#): > > Okay, fine, bobkitty, you win the thread. YES!! :: pumping fist in air :: 😃 I realize that I’m about to do something very, very ill-advised, but I’m going to try anyway. Here we go. > [@Liberal](#): > > Except that Lynn intervened in the one thread and forbade further discussion about it there. It therefore had to be here in a thread that I myself started (since no one else did). Okay.. here’s what **Lynn** said, and I quote: > [@](#): > > As a member of the mod staff, I agree that you need to start a separate thread in the Pit about people who dump pets, if people want to discuss that issue.. Now, seven hours and four posts later, you come in NOT with a link to a pit thread, OR a throw-away sentence like “Gee, I didn’t mean to shit in this happy thread- there were a lot of extenuating circumstances in my daughter’s case,” but rather this gem: > [@](#): > > Wrong on both counts. therefore continuing the hijack against **Lynn’s** expressed moderation. Twelve posts, and over **24 hours later** , after **Boscibo** took your bait (notice that it was one of twelve happy posts, and you were “arguing” with one person, therefore it would have been just as simple to take it to email and avoid the attention-whoring that inevitably follows your Pit threads), you decide you absolutely need to defend your daughter’s honor in a Pit thread. So, off to the pit. Where you decide you STILL don’t need to clarify your position- despite the fact that it is quite clear that **Boscibo** ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION > [@](#): > > Please explain how I was wrong. - but rather take veiled pot-shots. What on earth did you expect was going to happen? Let’s say I post a pit thread about getting into a car accident, and due to my inability to convey simple information it appears that the accident was my fault, even though I am insisting it wasn’t. When I get not sympathy but vitrol, and respond in kind, do you think PERHAPS I may have had some responsibility in the misperception when I reveal two pages later that the other person was driving while putting on makeup while eating a five-course meal and talking on a cell phone? > [@](#): > > And surprising though it may seem, it never dawned on me that I should have to explain to people that my daughter is not a monster. You wanted me to open, for God’s sake, with her reasons why she gave up the cat. But who knew there would be such a controversy? Let’s see.. uh, YOU? > [@MPSIMS Liberal](#): > > I’ve become a cat person in my old age. I love what you did, and your new friend looks lovely and healthy. > {snip} > I say all that to give you some perspective. I really do love cats. But… > [@Pit Liberal](#): > > You know, if you really look at my post, you can see that I’m a cat person, and that I loved Sad and Deranged’s rescue of the old cat from the shelter. (It’s in the first sentence.) Twice you feel the need to point out that you’re a cat lover, that- in essence- you’re not a monster. You pointed out in both threads that there is a history of loss in your family, and indeed from my recollection you’re not too healthy yourself. Pointing out again, in essence, that you’re not a monster. Why would you do this, if not because you anticipated a controversy? If you are indeed so concerned about having to post lengthy exposition, or reveal all motivations behind the actions of your family, why include heart-warming stories of your three cats? > [@](#): > > Should I scour your posts to see how you could have improved your expository? What did you imagine were her reasons? Cat hater? Animal torturer? Brainless accident of history? I don’t have a history of giant, pages-long flameouts, or begging to be suspended because I can’t keep myself from posting. Therefore, you are welcome to scour my posts, but I think you’ll find that I tend to not get into an awful lot of scuffles involving my inability to communicate vital information, or bringing in said information pages later. And I was actually leaning toward “brainless accident of DNA.” > [@](#): > > As you can see, Ogre wasn’t happy even with your extra sixty-some words. Maybe you were mistaken in your analysis. You’ll see that I asked **Ogre** for CLARIFICATION of his position before I ascribed a meaning to it. I didn’t automatically assume that he was unhappy with my suggestion. Hell, _I_ wasn’t completely happy with my suggestion, because the underlying issue- abandoning an animal that has been a part of the family for years- remained. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that your FOUR PAGE WANK-FEST likely wouldn’t have happened if you’d simply headed off folks at the pass with the information you presented on page two. 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