# Maybe Paypal's shoes are too tight (or Cats:1 Kids:0) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 6, 2011, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247 "2011-12-06T08:15:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Peeta\_Mellark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bc8723/32.png) [@Peeta\_Mellark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peeta_Mellark)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/21 "2011-12-06T22:44:02Z")
[They have contacted April now.](http://www.facebook.com/regretsy/posts/10151001318835360) They’ve given an apology and unfrozen her account. The donation mentioned in the president’s letter has not happened yet, but is being discussed. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/22 "2011-12-06T22:51:43Z")
They are still asshole fuckfaces. That donation better be sizable! Ugh. Why do they get to act like a bank, with none of the (still inadequate) legal oversight? Congress needs to deal with shit like this, instead of crap like ending overtime for IT workers. Both are dumb, but at least one is “for the people”. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/23 "2011-12-06T22:59:34Z")
That donation should be at least twice the amount of the FIVE DIFFERENT fees that they took from her. For me, the largest turd in this bowl full of turds is that they also froze her PERSONAL account, as well as the Regretsy account. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/24 "2011-12-06T23:07:56Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > That donation should be at least twice the amount of the FIVE DIFFERENT fees that they took from her. The best comment on the Facebook post is someone suggesting that Paypal is probably going to take 20% of the donation as fees. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Lovely\_Margo\_Lane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/34f0e0/32.png) [@The\_Lovely\_Margo\_Lane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Lovely_Margo_Lane)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/25 "2011-12-06T23:25:05Z")
This is a shame. I’ve been super busy lately so I haven’t been keeping up with Regretsy at all… At my job I administer a Paypal account taking donations, and in our case it’s gone really well, but I think it’s because we’re a 501©3 so we get to use the special “nonprofit” program they’ve set up. Lower fees than normal purchases and various support built in. It would be nice if they could expand that to worthy causes like this one that aren’t 501©3 but are still charities. As mentioned, we do pay fees on the donations but IMO it’s worth it for the support they give. And yeah, Paypal has a ton of different published guidelines that often self-contradict. I usually contact our account rep directly - part of the benefit of going with “Paypal Nonprofit” is that we get an account rep who’s knowledgeable about donation issues as distinct from normal transaction stuff. It would be super awesome if the outcome of this **isn’t** the ceremonial disemboweling of the CSR who jerked April around, but rather that Paypal gets it’s shit together in terms of guidelines for donations whether to 501©3s using “Paypal Nonprofit” or to other types of orgs/charities. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/26 "2011-12-07T01:33:17Z")
> [@Peeta\_Mellark](#): > > It’s an insult lobbed at Regretsians that we’ve embraced and proudly wear like a badge of hate and charity. > [@Kolga](#): > > A lot of the “artists” that Regretsy mocks end up responding by calling the Regretsy fans fat, or jealous, or losers, or haters, or whatever. So, we proudly call ourselves the fat jealous losers. > > CF4L stands for Club Fuckery For Life, which is also an inside joke. Ah… Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/27 "2011-12-07T03:56:02Z")
[Paypal have finally pulled their heads halfway out of their asses…](http://www.regretsy.com/2011/12/06/sooner-or-later-youll-pay-pal/) ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/28 "2011-12-07T04:36:23Z")
Very interesting story. Thanks for sharing **Diosa**. Could someone explain to me what Regresty is – I googled but didn’t find an explanation, only pictures. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/29 "2011-12-07T04:43:59Z")
Regretsy is a snark site that mocks things from the Etsy site. Not everything, just atrocious things that should never see the light of day. Paypal still has not made the donation they claim that they are making. And other vendors are coming out of the woodwork to talk about how Paypal did the same thing to them. Unfortunately, those vendors don’t have the power of the fat, jealous loser Regretsy fans behind them. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/30 "2011-12-07T07:11:21Z")
One of my online communities just intersected with another one. It makes me feel a little weird, like my wife and mistress just met each other. For the record, I do not have a wife or mistress. CF4L ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/31 "2011-12-07T15:28:12Z")
> [@lindsaybluth](#): > > Very interesting story. Thanks for sharing **Diosa**. > > Could someone explain to me what Regresty is – I googled but didn’t find an explanation, only pictures. To know what Regretsy is, you have to know what Etsy is. [Etsy.com](http://Etsy.com) is a website where people predominantly sell hand made crafts. You can buy many beautiful things on Etsy. Unfortunately, “handmade” is not synonymous with “attractive,” a fact that escapes a certain percentage of sellers. Hence, Regretsy, which exists to mock Etsy listings are are hilariously ugly or just plain odd. I think their slogan “Where DIY Meet WTF” pretty much says it all. ---
**Author:** ![LionelHutz405](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lionelhutz405/32/536_2.png) [@LionelHutz405](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LionelHutz405)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/32 "2011-12-07T16:21:34Z")
Paypal previously did the same thing to Diaspora. [http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/page/2](http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/page/2) If the affected site has enough Internet pull, Paypal will apologize profusely and promise not to do it again. I imagine smaller sites just get screwed. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/33 "2011-12-07T17:30:47Z")
> [@LionelHutz405](#): > > Paypal previously did the same thing to Diaspora. [http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/page/2](http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/page/2) > > If the affected site has enough Internet pull, Paypal will apologize profusely and promise not to do it again. I imagine smaller sites just get screwed. Yup. As the poster for Regretsy said: > [@](#): > > And I think we all know that Paypal’s apologies and reversals were motivated by the intense scrutiny they’ve been subjected to. If I were Sally’s Soap Shack, I would be waiting out that six month hold right now and wondering how to make Ramen noodles taste like Christmas ham. After all, PayPal locked both the business and personal accounts over this, but (for example) a gone-viral little soap shop that got a flood of orders for Christmas over being featured somewhere fabulous could be royally screwed by having their business account locked for months because someone at PayPal shrugged. ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/34 "2011-12-07T20:27:25Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > To know what Regretsy is, you have to know what Etsy is. [Etsy.com](http://Etsy.com) is a website where people predominantly sell hand made crafts. You can buy many beautiful things on Etsy. Unfortunately, “handmade” is not synonymous with “attractive,” a fact that escapes a certain percentage of sellers. Hence, Regretsy, which exists to mock Etsy listings are are hilariously ugly or just plain odd. I think their slogan “Where DIY Meet WTF” pretty much says it all. Very interesting stuff. I made my very first Etsy purchase this past weekend – for a garment bag made out of a pillowcase, with nicely surged seams and a covered zipper . (I’ll use it to wash sweaters in the handwash cycle. I couldn’t find one in any store that wasn’t mesh and therefore inherently “not delicate”.) I like their slogan too 😛 ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247/35 "2011-12-08T00:42:58Z")
> [@Paypal](#): > > “The normal protocol would have been for the agent to tell you that once you reach a certain threshold, your account is triggered for a review. And when the agent looked at your account and made a subjective decision, he made a very, very incorrect one.” If you read the original absurd exchanges, they have all the hallmarks of someone who has made a decision based on emotion or a gut feeling, then is trying to manufacture a logical explanation for it on the spot. There obviously aren’t any actual rules or guidelines being universally applied, just grasping at rationalization straws. > [@Paypal employee](#): > > You aren’t going to be able to get around this. It’s too late, we know what you’re trying to do and we’re not going to let you do it. Yep. We know you’re a bad guy, so we’re going to come up with some kind of rule to stop you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maybe-paypals-shoes-are-too-tight-or-cats-1-kids-0/605247.md?page=1)